Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Good day GenXers.

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Here we are on GenXTalkin on prepping my name is Ed Watson AKA will see I'm going to be your host today alongside me as my good friend Matt Marshall.

 Matt Marshall

At Marshall here, checking in.

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We tried it in general be what I call the three piece positive, professional and pragmas.

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And in doing so we in general like to have a spirit a little bit of a spirit of jocularity, a little bit of levity levity right on today's episode we are covering an extremely serious topic of of awareness.

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And prevention of Child Exploitation.

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This is probably the most serious thing in my head right next to terrorism, I've studied terrorism for years.

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I myself personally consider myself a lifelong student.

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However, most people that I've actually instructed consider me a subject matter expert.

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Because I've worked in those fields, not so much.

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In like, say, a Navy SEAL type of go get this terrorist type of thing but.

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Intelligence studies Homeland Security studies regarding terrorism.

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Counter terrorism.

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Prevention of terrorism.

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Things like this whole homegrown, violent extremism.

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And that's an extremely serious topic, obviously, but

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To me, what we're going to cover today.

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Mattis is even to me more serious, you know, terrorists like as as.

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Horiffic and tragic and everything as those guys are.

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And they blow heat, sometimes even blowing themselves up.

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They have an ideology.

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Uhm, so in a way.

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Uhm, as sick as I think their mentality is and their strategy or tactic is I can almost get them.

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Well, we're talking about today Matt.

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And it's something that, in my opinion, is just outer limits.

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It's outside of the realms of of what can can be accepted at all.

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Let's Child Exploitation.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah yeah, and and don't let the jocularity as we as we had at the beginning.

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Don't let that have anything to do with how serious the the actual acts and the and the disgusting.

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Some things that we might cover today just conceptually.

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Don't let that make you think that we don't take this seriously because there's some you know Ed, you.

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You brought this up as a as a possible topic that we could cover on one of the shows and and it actually kind of.

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It made me nervous for a little bit because I'm thinking to myself, gosh, how do you?

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How do you convey?

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Uh, a good clean message about how to prepare families for such a.

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Horrific and disgusting practice without without delving too much into the details.

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'cause I don't care to dig that much into details we all can can kind of comprehend in the back of our minds if we let ourselves go dark for just a moment, we can comprehend what we're talking about as far as Child Exploitation.

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And and and sex trafficking and those type of things.

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But it's it's just a disgusting practice and and I'm I'm excited too that we can get this out.

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Talk to the audience about it and maybe we can.

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I implement some change in the world.

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I think the key.

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Concept for us to understand here today is is the awareness.

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I think the awareness.

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Can hopefully bring.

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About the prevention, what I'm going to do guys.

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You're just listening in on it, we.

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Are going to.

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Be ending up sharing a screen and the first thing we're going to go over guys is how deadly serious this is getting this is from.

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I believe this was a.

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February of this year, the killing of FBI agents comes amid explosion of child sex abuse reports as tips about online child sexual abuse have spiked, the FBI is investigating a case of a Florida technology contractor who the Bureau said shot 2 agents executing a search warrant at his apartment.

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Most of you guys are probably seeing this already, so we're months behind, but we really just started the podcast recently and this is one of the things we did want to go over and I did want to do this a little bit in honor and remembrance of special agents, Daniel, Alvin, and.

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Laura Schwartzenberger, who were slain by this suspect while they were executing the search warrant.

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This is how serious the matter is getting, probably with the overall scenario.

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And what's going on guys?

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Is these guys right here in America?

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Are actually in a preparedness state of mind themselves that not only are they conducting the heinous crime of Child Exploitation and we'll get into that a little bit more like the definitions of what, exactly?

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What are we talking about here?

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These predators, I would venture to guess.

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Possibly tipped off by those television series like to Catch a predator.

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They're getting defensive, and they're saying 8.

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You're not going to catch me.

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I'm going to do what I want to do, and from what I understood from this story, this guy had set up surveillance cameras on the outside of his apartment, or possibly some type of motion sensor alarms or something like that.

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So if I read one of the articles right, I think they.

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He was tipped off on the inside that there was approaching agents, and he was already prepared.

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He armed himself.

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He defended himself.

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He shot at the agents.

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After a while, I believe.

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I don't know what kind of backup they had right there on scene, but shortly after this guy opened fire they ended up breaching with the SWAT team I believe and he actually died in in a gunshot up.

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I don't think he took his own life.

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I think he died trying to defensible.

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This is unimpressive.

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And so it's tantamount to no.

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I think the first, most important thing Matt and I don't want to be alarmist or cause any kind of panic here, right?

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As we're going to point out that the statistics show that this scenario is increasing and they are getting more violent, but one of the things we want to do is.

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Is remain calm and be prepared.

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Be aware and hopefully some negative information that we might pass along.

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Today will enable the prevention of this in the futures.

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You might observe something that you're able to report, and then you you're able to back away and keep away because you never can tell whatever you're observing over here.

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You don't want to investigate it yourself.

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Self, so I think that's key is no.

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It's on the rise, but we're not going to.

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We're not going to get alarmist number.

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Two these guys are starting to get more violent and not just predatory, but hostile, so this is one of those scenarios.

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This is not like a 12 year old.

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You see stealing a candy bar shoplifting, and you.

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You intervene.

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This is something if you think you observe their indicators and warnings of suggestive of these types of predators.

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You just report it, observe and report and then back off right now.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, yeah, you know you you mentioned you mean mention statistics and and you and I talked about this just a little bit about how in, in preparation for the show and what sort of statistics are out there and I just did a super super quick super simple search.

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There's this org.

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Yeah, I've got one that we're going to share here.

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In a little bit too.

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OK, there is this one did.

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Did you find the the thorn?

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Thrn.org

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You know what it's it's amazingly interesting 'cause just for our viewers or listeners out there, Matt and I hadn't rehearsed to this level and he hasn't even brought up foreign before.

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Just so everybody knows it's Bob.

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Believe actually spearheaded by Ashton Kutcher, right?

 Matt Marshall

I think so, yeah, I'm.

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Not sure.

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Yeah, back when I was working as a financial intelligence unit analyst for an anti money laundering group in one of the financial institutions that I've worked with in the past.

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We were actually in discussions with Thorn personnel.

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To see if they had any database with data that they could exchange with us so we could.

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Possibly implement that into our data to see what we could detect and report on, and possibly prevent.

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Yes, so tell him what Thorn is, Matt.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, all I wanted to do is I I just wanted to.

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Share, uh, just?

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Like 3 main.

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In statistics OK on why this becomes so important, I think I think now there's a whole bunch of statistics that are provided by the by the phone and I'll put it in the in the show notes both on the podcast and on our YouTube.

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But there was, there's some some numbers that they.

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Threw out here.

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On just on their main page and that's.

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In 2004

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The number of child sexual abuse files reviewed by the National Center for Missing, Missing, and Exploited Children is about 450,000 2004.

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Right?

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Any guesses on what we're at and what we were at in 2019?

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At 2019 and 2020, I think it's like I think it's like 4 or 5,000,000.

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It's 10 years.

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Very close 70.

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Uh, like 7 OK, yeah, I know there's in.

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The meeting, so it's like it's it's gone.

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Yeah, massive massive increase so, but there's a there's a.

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Off the chart, yeah.

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The first look, yeah, go ahead, Matt.

 Matt Marshall

There's a there's there's a couple of interesting, interesting reasons for that.

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If you if.

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You do a little bit more research in it and and and I think this is part of what we're going to be talking about, but.

 Speaker 4

Right?

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It says 63.

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Percent of the people were the kids were were victimized online.

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They were advertised and they encountered had been advertised online, so that means that means kids who had just shared excuse me, shared naked photographs of themselves.

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Those naked photographs had had been used across as advertising for these horrific.

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Websites that actually traffic in child ***********

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Right?

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As many as one in seven RUNAWAYS reported, became victims of sex trafficking.

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Yeah, one in seven kids that that chose to run away, run away, and that's one of the things you know.

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I think back to some of my.

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Anecdotally, thinking of my own family, my older brother and sister.

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There were ones who decided, hey, we don't want to deal with this stuff.

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They were, you know, kind of got got kind of wrapped up into drugs and things like that and they wound up leaving leaving the house and one of the things I've always thought about in raising my own kids is.

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I've always thought about.

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I think it doesn't matter if your kids get wrapped up.

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Into drugs or alcohol, or even if it's hard drugs or sex, whatever doesn't matter.

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Keep the relationship, because if you keep the relationship strong with that child with that, even if they start as they start getting into adulthood as they start getting older, keep their relationship, because if you lose the relationship you lose the ability to influence them at all.

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Yeah, in in any situation you lose the ability you lose the.

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The leverage that you have in trying to help help them through situations the the possibility.

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Even the slight possibility that they would come back to you and ask for help.

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You lose that if you lose.

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Yeah Jeff, that's it.

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The relationship, so it's a, so it's something it's.

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Something you know.

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The main reason these.

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Kids, I'm not going to say the main reason 'cause I don't know this statistically, but one of the reasons why these why these kids live or leave their families is because they've lost the relationship with their family with their with their parents.

Move away.

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So if they if they lose the relationship.

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Then we as parents, lose the ability to to help them ever ever in life, you know.

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Yeah, I it's really interesting you bring that up 'cause I can actually kind of relate.

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Recently we've had one of our family members.

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As recently as about four or five years ago.

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They were strung out on drugs but.

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Remained with a very strong relationship, so that person has now done a 180 turn around foot script and now they're a young man.

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Mother very very good loving mother and we still have maintained that strong relationship.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So that's there.

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We just saw this personal couple of weekends ago, so there's that.

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And then on the other end of the spectrum I have other family members that for whatever reasons.

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You know, whatever silly little mistake I made over 30 years ago, like.

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Uhm, when we were 17 years old or whatever in in knocking on doors or whatever in the middle of night or something almost that stupid.

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Uhm, there's family members.

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There are couple of family members out there that have practically forsaken me.

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And guess what?

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The relationships not there and I didn't even do drugs or anything else.

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Like that so.

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At this point in time, to be honest with you, there's no relationship there, so it's completely.

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Severed then go.

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Packs and for all I care.

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I'm not talking to him.

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Before we go, let's let's go into the.

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Statistics first, so I'm going to share screen again.

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This information is if I can get to it.

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There we go is from the site, is enough is enough.

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I don't know exactly when they publish this.

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And you guys, if you're not just listening to the podcast, you can see this portion and it is.

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If you're just listening to it, you can see it is at enough.

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Dot forward backslash stats underscore exploitation.

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It has sexual predators exploitation child ****

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Murphy and without really reading into everything in here and stuff that.

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Matt has already gone over.

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You see some of those statistics years, for example Tik T.O.K saw removals of nearly double between 2019 and 2018. YouTube has seen 169% surgeon removals between 2018 and 2020. We're going to tell you.

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In my training and experience which has touched upon this type of stuff in actual investigation.

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There are reasons that the numbers are going up and the reasons are there are many, but we do want to arm you with the information of this statistical information that is out there and available for your further review.

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And then from my training and experience, I'm going to go over these other things like one of the import.

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Acronymns, you're going to see a lot of his CS AM or C Sam that is child sexual abuse material.

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See Sam is going to be in a lot of these reports guys, so you're going to see that a lot.

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There are certain areas, regions and countries where.

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There's a little bit more of a predilection towards overall human smuggling.

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And then there's areas where they are known to do more.

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Sexual material oriented type stuff in general I can't get involved in all of the details because some of the details are law enforcement sensitive.

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In my opinion with this group right here, HSI Homeland Security investigations who we met with about four or five years ago

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Certain groups that review activity in certain regions all the time, and these these intelligence analysts.

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Working on different projects.

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Specializing in different regions.

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Pulling up a globe map and I'm going over Latin America right now.

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So what we call LATAM, there's certain types of criminal.

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Activity and what we call organized criminal groups or criminal enterprises, transnational, criminal enterprise, etc.

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Operating throughout Latin America that's South South of the border.

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What we call SWB Southwest border.

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So you have SW borders all these states bordering here California.

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Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and sometimes they actually consider Florida in that as well.

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The directly bordering with Mexico.

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However, with Florida is very close to Cuba and other areas where there's a lot of various.

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Issues or threats or vulnerabilities due to the migrant issues.

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A lot of that is human smuggling.

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For the most part, this type of activity is going to be geared more towards overall human smuggling and human trafficking, mostly for the exploitation purposes that are monetary or financial overall.

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And there's a lot of narcotics smuggling along those corridors, as will only say, like US to Latin America, Latin America to US.

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This is what we consider a cult corridor, so we have cut analysts that are doing country corridor and regional type studies.

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They review so much information and so much data.

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On a day to day basis, these people are cnis their subject matter experts.

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And it's not just this region or whatever.

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There's certain things going on in West Africa.

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There's certain other things going on in South Africa and East Africa.

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There's certain things going on.

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In what we call HOA.

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The Horn of Africa region that remember what a while back there is the piracy there's.

Some things going.

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On in central Africa.

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And up here is what we have North Africa in this region over here is usually lumped together in what we call MENA na Middle East and North Africa.

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So there's the issues going on here.

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Over here on the East Coast or the East, what would be the East Coast of the Far East like China and stuff from?

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Uh French Indochina area like Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma or Myanmar's it's called Mel China. Stuff like that you still have the Silk route that Silk Route goes up here passed up and around.

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Pakistan, Afghanistan and what we call the stands Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, etc.

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There's still a silk route going on there and it comes up from Southeast Asia all the way up and around and it terminates sometimes all the way through Turkey you have.

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Caspian Sea Caucasus Azerbaijan.

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Black Sea criminal organizations.

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Whether it's the Russian mafia involved in some of that Chinese triads.

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Here in this area of Europe you still have mafia little mafias with the in the Balkans regions, Italy, international crime guys is so prevalent and it's it's just so pervasive that in one of the episodes of Anthony.

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Bourdain when he's in Italy, he's talking to Italians, and they're saying you know the mafia here is just part of life.

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We don't think that the government can operate any better.

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So you just and that's one thing to consider.

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Another thing to consider is.

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That mafia and criminal organizations have children and friends and family members that have actually deeply infiltrated most of the governments.

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Most of the governments and there's statistics there's charts.

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Uhm, for anti money laundering type purposes there's the know your country anti money laundering country reports.

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That have everything in there from the State Department.

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The CIA fact book everything in there.

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Whether it's drug issues, whether it's issues of governance and corruption, all those factors are in there for all these analysts to peruse and pour over.

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So if you're traveling anywhere, you can feel free to just type in case.

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I see a simple Oscar by John.

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And we'll see everything from the CIA fact book everything from the State Department.

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Everything in there, from from jerk and narcotic trafficking.

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Any other transnational border issues that's that information is all out there guys.

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The problem is we can't stop all of this.

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Criminal activity because there's just too much of it.

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There's too much information.

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There's too much of an appetite for the wares that these guys are selling, whether it's just DVD burns of pirated movies or whether it's webcams of.

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Sexually exploited persons, whether they're adults or minors. So you got all that kind of stuff going on out there regionally, globally, and just so you know. Statistically guys. the US is 1.

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Of the I think.

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It's the number one consumer of all sexual material.

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Especially child sexual material.

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It's either number one or #2. It's also in the top, producing and over here in this area in Eastern Europe.

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Romania has whole is known to have whole apartment complexes where.

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Usually adult females are doing webcam services, so there's one of your top producers of that, so *********** overall is a multi billion dollar year industry guys and there's just too much of an appetite for it.

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It's just like drugs.

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It's not going to go away anytime soon.

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It's considered more of advice if it's consenting adults that are.

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Portrayed in these enactments and it's consenting adults.

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Purchasing the material that they produce, that's.

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In most cultures considered more of.

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Not ethical, but more of a moral moralistic.

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Moral challenge Yep.

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Yeah, more challenge or advice.

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It's not considered a crime in most jurisdictions and until or unless it's.

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Depicting something that appears to be not consensual or it's or kids with children in almost all jurisdictions globally. They have definitions for child in EU.

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S We have an overall general definition.

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That's 18.

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Anything under 18.

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Yeah, once they hit 18 if they.

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Even if they're still living with their parents.

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If they want to engage in something like this, there's still legal pieces that have to be in place, like the ID checks, paperwork, everything else like that, so they're signing certain releases where they're verifying #1 there's they're adult #2. They're getting 2 forms of ID.

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Picture government issued ID's in in most cases, usually a passport and or a driver's license, and they're signing at the bottom that they were not coerced in any way shape or form things like this so.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's a little bit of a safeguard in place even for the adult material.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

However, here's where there's no blurry lines whatsoever.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

In America, especially if they're not 17.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They are anybody.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Producing and consuming any type of that material is go to club bedtime.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You are going to a federal prison for.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

While and you're going to be labeled a chicken liquor or a child pederast, and that is not a label that you want to understand, your next door neighbor having in some cases they have safeguards for these guys in place where they're going to try to relocate them after they get out of prison.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

In most case.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And you can still look them up and they are supposed to register as a sex offender, especially a child sex offender.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's where most of these violators are.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If they've, if they've raped somebody, and that's an adult, that's one thing they're already a sex offender.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're going to be a registered sex offender, and that's bad.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

However, coupled with the fact that these guys are getting more and more prepared and they're getting more vigilant and defensive about.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're their habit if you want to call it that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're also disguising their identity for a variety of purposes because when they move into the next neighborhood although they're registered child, sex offender, or whatever, they don't want anybody to MC, so of course this guy next door is not going to introduce himself to you as you know Charles Manson the the.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Chicken liquor.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And I know that sounds like a disgusting term, but I want to throw it out there because it is a term that is generally used in their law enforcement world and in some of the prisons.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And that I think it's a term that I like a bad name for him.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I think we want to give them a bad name, because if you're an adult.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Then you have advice.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Let's say I don't even care if you're using marijuana or drinking, or you're gambling or whatever.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's a lot of it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We consider a little bit of advice or habit or whatever, or if it's a, you know, a little bit.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Of *********** or whatever you can consider moralistic of moral flaw, advice or whatever.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Sex crimes and especially sex crimes, against children.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That is a completely different matter.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

What are your thoughts on all that net?

 Matt Marshall

It's it's tough because when you when?

 Matt Marshall

You originally brought this up to me.

 Matt Marshall

I did a.

 Matt Marshall

I did a little bit of research.

 Matt Marshall

I think one of the one of the things I found was really was really interesting about this as I looked at like that the the Mama bear Mama Bear effect website that yeah it, it seems to be focused more on young children younger like like toddlers and you know 6 to 10 year olds and I'm thinking gosh could it be?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Right, and we'll go over.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

In a minute too.

 Speaker 4

Right?

 Matt Marshall

You know that even they need to be worried about it, or but then you know you go to thorn.org and that seems to be.

 Matt Marshall

Or in the the 12 to 9 and 12 to 17 year old youth and so on.

 Matt Marshall

And it's a different discussion.

 Matt Marshall

It really is a different discussion from from one to the other, but it may it one of the interesting things I think was was very, very valuable from the from the Mama bear is of named two things.

 Speaker 2

Right?

 Matt Marshall

Number one that most of the.

 Matt Marshall

Most of the attacks I'll even call it come from people who the children know.

 Matt Marshall

You know it's not coming from some, you know, international terrorist or international.

 Matt Marshall

Some criminal criminal organization, necessarily.

 Matt Marshall

That's not to say those don't exist and that they're not heavily heavily involved in the in the sexual trafficking and exploitation of children.

 Matt Marshall

But it's people that they know that the kids know and and it was, oh gosh.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This is yeah.

 Matt Marshall

It was anyways we're going to be talking a little bit more about the Mama bear effect, which is, which is a pretty powerful website.

 Matt Marshall

It's it's strange because it it also made me think to understand.

 Matt Marshall

I should say that people don't want to talk about it and it's it's.

 Matt Marshall

It's interesting in this in this world.

 Matt Marshall

They're they're trying to teach like the the Mama bear stuff is trying to teach children that it's their body and they should be able to protect their body and tell people no.

 Matt Marshall

I don't want you touching me, I don't want you touching me there I don't want you touching me at all.

 Matt Marshall

Don't want to hug whatever it may be.

 Matt Marshall

Children should be able to say that.

 Matt Marshall

And yet.

 Matt Marshall

It seems in the media and it seems in a lot of I'm.

 Matt Marshall

I'm not going.

 Matt Marshall

To say right or left, but I think we can all guess in certain sides of the argument.

 Matt Marshall

They're saying kids should have the freedom to express themselves the way they want, and they should.

 Matt Marshall

They should have the the freedom to engage in relationships.

 Matt Marshall

How they want to engage in relationships and I'm like, well, no.

 Matt Marshall

You need to teach them that.

 Matt Marshall

That's wrong, that that's that situation is not right.

 Matt Marshall

You know it, it's.

 Matt Marshall

Not just to it like you like you put it, it's not just a vice like like drinking or smoking or gambling.

 Matt Marshall

It's not just a vice, this is causing irreparable damage on a young child that has no control over.

 Matt Marshall

You know what the adult is doing to them.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, and that's that's an interesting.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Point I'm not going to get super detailed on that, but there's whole advocacy groups for that, like nambala.

 Speaker 2

Right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's an actual group.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The North American Man Boy Love Association that most a lot of other people are just trying to separate themselves from and everything else like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And it goes into a difference between and and those.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's that's a homosexual pederasty.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And and those guys are, like most of them, I think they prefer the the right around the prepubescent, and that's where we start getting into different definitions.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So like you mentioned before, it's different discussion, so there's a different discussion about.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Let's say Nambala and other advocacy for that thing that most people consider offensive habit.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And then there's a different discussion of.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

About one of the main crimes in this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Overall, the arena that Homeland Security investigations and others end up prosecuting is what they call Interstate trafficking of a minor.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Now what that predominantly in my experience, deals with.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And I'm not an agent.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Everything I've not made the arrest, but I've read hundreds of these types of reports because we've ended up finding networks of these people.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And in some activity that I review and HS I may have made an arrest or two here or there.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And here's here's two or three of these people on my chart, but they're in a network of like 15 other people.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's when we send in a report to. Well, the report doesn't necessarily go directly to HSI.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Can in some instances, so in that type of situation.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And I have that experience to where I understand when they're saying in a news generally in a Department of Justice press release, this Interstate.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Sex trafficking of minors.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Reading has been busted.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

A lot of times it's like the Saint Louis area, and they're in Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky and it's adults, about 25 to 35 that are trying to be pimps of generally girls that are about 16 or 17 and that's a whole different thing.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And it's in in my opinion.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's Interstate.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

6 trafficking of a minor.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I'm good with that criminal definition or that headline.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yep, when we talk about Child Exploitation, a lot of these, like you say, the thorneside is focusing more on like the prepubescent or the pubis, right around 12 to 17 or so.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's still a.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Minor, yes.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

By legal definition, there's a variety of things that they cannot make a decision on.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They can't get married, they can't drink.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They can't vote, they can't own or buy or fire a firearm.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

All kinds of things, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, what makes anybody think that they can knowingly, willingly, willfully with full Cognizant engage in?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

A relationship if.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's and especially that's just going to be 6.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You're not going to have a meaningful.

 Matt Marshall

Loving relationship yes yes.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Roving human relationship with a child that that is where we delineate from.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah.

 Speaker 4

We can have 5th.

 Matt Marshall

And and that's the.

 Matt Marshall

Thing is, the adult knows that yeah, don't knows that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah that yeah this that's a big actual prosecuting point for other crimes.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

When somebody is holding a position of power or authority of over somebody.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That enhances the crime.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I don't believe it enhances the crime in in many cases with Child Exploitation because you're using your position of power, authority.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Your position in the family or relationship with that child against that child and you're kind of trying to like trick them in a lot of ways.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like you know, you love me and this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This is everybody touches themselves like this or whatever, and that's where you get completely derailed from the realms of reality I think, and that that doesn't even happen in the areas of Afghanistan or tribal afpac areas where they they're into the Chai boys a lot.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's a cultural thing in Afghanistan.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

By the.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Way that is not.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

A criminally offensive vice that most of the rest of the world considers.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The Afghan Chai boy scenario is like up to about a 12 year old and they.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's a different scenario in my opinion, whereas they still have a sexual exploitation scenario and.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's part of their culture that those embedded journalists with CNN in with the Taliban still cannot and will not influence as part of their culture.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And it's a cultural norm, and there's no law against that in their tribes and regions.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And things like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Here in the rest of the world we have said.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

At you know, at certain ages there's certain things, and it's certain ages they are.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They are a child.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They are not an adult.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They cannot make these types of decisions.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

For those that are going pre pubescent, most of those offenders who are the worst in my opinion, those guys are going for typically like 4 year olds.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So that's.

 Matt Marshall

You mean there, you're talking about the Afghan Batman side, OK?

 Speaker 4

The thing.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

No, no, that's in the US. That's in the.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

US you're

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Everywhere else, like Afghans don't like like 4 year olds in my.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

In my experience they're.

 Matt Marshall

And then let's.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like in the.

 Matt Marshall

Clarify, you're not.

 Matt Marshall

We're not saying that all Afghans are like this.

 Matt Marshall

We're saying that that's a that's a cultural thing that happens in that, in that that is not prosecutable is that.

 Matt Marshall

What you're saying?

 Speaker 4

It's it, it's not.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Prosecutable in their area.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's a cultural thing with.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Many of the.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Tribes out there. the US Army had a human terrain team report where you know there were rumors nobody really knew about it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There was some speculation and this and that and the other, but they actually did a lot of surveying and everything else.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like that they actually have like DVD's and even still like VHS tapes where they're showing this part of the culture so it's not something that the Taliban want to wave their flag about. But it's actually very predominant in a lot of the Taliban like.

 Speaker 4

Right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like path and or Pashtuns.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Specially culture in that region and like I said we're not saying like all Afghans are like that and we're not saying that necessarily.

 Matt Marshall

No no.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's a a bad thing in that context because for them it is culturally accepted they don't have definitions for child.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They don't have laws against it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Whereas over here we have we have taken on a different wall stent and our legal system has actually defined legal terms for adult and child and.

 Matt Marshall

I think that I think that's important, but one of the things that's that's challenging is as we as a as an America as a United States as we.

 Matt Marshall

Uh, start to change our and and LAX our some of our rules on.

 Matt Marshall

And it's hard for me to even say rules, but some of the some of the the laws of immigrants people coming into the country and effectively bringing their culture with them.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah.

 Matt Marshall

It's one of the challenges is it seems like certain people want to say we should respect the culture, respect their culture that they're bringing in, and allow them to.

 Matt Marshall

Where do you draw the line?

 Matt Marshall

You know if that's accepted in their culture because there is no legal definition between adult and child and they're free to have sex with whatever age they want, or whatever the whatever the rules are in their culture.

 Matt Marshall

If they bring that culture into the United States or other Western Western cultures.

 Matt Marshall

Uhm, where do you draw the line on that you?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Know well for something like that that gets into a deeply civilization and cultural type of discussion.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Whereas in that particular instance and scenario, I don't think that they would openly display it at all.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I've never heard of a case where.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uhm, let's say it's somebody from that region. Whatever tribe or ethnicity or whatever they are, and they have had a child boy scenario here in the US or even.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Are they as a matter of fact, most of the folks that come over here and being a little bit?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

More pious and they.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Actually assimilate more than most people actually realize.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, that's what I would hope, right?

 Matt Marshall

That's what.

 Speaker 2

Yeah, and that's that's.

 Matt Marshall

I would hope.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Something about Homeland Security and terrorism type topic discussions. Right here in the US 'cause we have a lot of Palestinians, Lebanese, whoever else that they come from families.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Directly linked to Hezbollah or other terrorist groups, like what group we would consider OFAC listed UN sanctioned terrorist group like formally, legally named.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This is a terrorist group, however, that's a family member that's a cousin or whatever in southern Lebanon or wherever they're from.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And they're gonna have family support and they may not.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They may or may not waive the yellow Hezbollah flag right here in the United States.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I've heard of instances of that in the Dearborn, MI area, and, uh.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

To be honest with you, for the most part, in America most of the Muslims that come in are actually rather fundamental.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Now here's where we get into the difference between the definition of fundamental and extremist.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Do you want to espouse Sharia law and maybe?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Proselytizing here in America that you are completely protected under our Constitution.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

To legally do that now are you going to go publicly chant death to America and actually actively.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Try to recruit people to be suicide bombers. Here in America you can't do that because since 911 and those types of scenarios that happened around Finberg Park Mosque in in London, we have said OK.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Freedom of speech only this far because you can't actually say that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's like you can't say fire in a movie theater or bomb in an airplane, you're you.

 Matt Marshall

Fire in a movie theater.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You're causing a.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Disturbance it's at the very least disturbing the peace things like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

To promulgate even online if you're in America, no matter where you're from, even if you're an American. Whether let's say you're antifa or or 3% or something like that, if you get online, no matter how craft you think you are with your privacy and your code, words, and everything else.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like that if you say.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We're gonna March on January 6th and we're gonna go in and and blow Nancy.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Pelosi's seat or something like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's encouraging a terroristic act of violence that you, yeah, so you can get prosecuted for that.

 Matt Marshall

That is, is active violence.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That is not a protected right or freedom of speech.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Is she at that point, no matter how much of a revolution you think it?

 Speaker 4

Right, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Needs to be.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Or whatever but to not digress too much further on that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So we've gone over those death rough definitions in my experience of what like Interstate 6 trafficking of a minor.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Generally we got.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

17 to 35 year old generally drug also dealing thugs in some kind of gang.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Being trying to pimp out their little 14 to 17 year old ******** sisters and this is what they call them they their their members of gangs often say they're **** ******* or whatever.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We're not talking from.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We're using these terms in instructional purposes, by the way, just so everybody knows we're not trying to be lewd and there's gangs and.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

When they conduct gang activity, whether it's slinging drugs or trying to fight her off, the rival gang in the next neighborhood, or uhm.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Pimping out their girlfriends or female gang members for prostitution and the production of *********** yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That you know, sit in general, we're going to call those activities sometimes gain banging.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That is a prosecutable offense.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That also because it's Interstate, it's going to go to the federal court level.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You know you didn't just go do this in St.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Louis MO.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You're also hearing you know you were here in.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Decatur, IL.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You're in mocksville.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You went all the way to Knoxville or maybe just to Louisville, Ky.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

ETC so Interstate 6 trafficking of a minor is one thing.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Child Exploitation is that other thing and there's scenarios like one of the things Matt and I want to make sure we warn our listeners and viewers about is.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uh, we strongly suggest recommend that you do not try to go online and use Tor, the onion router and try to peruse dark web sites.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

One of the groups that I was in I talked to Matt about this earlier.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

One of the groups that I was in doing intelligence type studies and Homeland Security type studies was discussing and.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Debating this idea.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There are law enforcement intelligence analysts.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There are military intelligence analysts that may be doing.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I know there's.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Some that do it I don't know.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So much on the military side, because a lot of those guys are actually military juniors that are 19 to 24 themselves.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're E one through E, four or five or so, and we don't.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's bad enough that we're making them.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Collect and analyze intelligence about terrorism and other crime.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We in general, I've never seen a military intelligence outfit that's actually got its guys digging into the the dark web.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So we want to make sure everybody knows the difference between the deep web and the dark web.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Matt, tell them the difference is.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I know you know this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Better than I do.

 Matt Marshall

No, I'm I'm I'm interested because I all the study that I've done and the and the and the understanding of it's it tends to focus on the dark web, which is just that that accessibility and to.

 Speaker 4

Right?

 Matt Marshall

Well, you can get to the dark web in multiple different ways of course, but but uhm, the intention is to do it in secrecy, and the intention is to do it to do just about anything you can imagine and it, and I think the most important thing that you.

 Matt Marshall

It had expressed to me in our discussions about this is.

 Matt Marshall

Protect yourself yourself from this stuff because.

 Matt Marshall

There are, there are.

 Matt Marshall

Things that you can see that you cannot Unsee and.

 Matt Marshall

And I I I have an image in my head of something that I have seen while while doing my investigations on the dark web.

 Matt Marshall

And you know, and and it's impossible.

 Matt Marshall

Not to see it.

 Matt Marshall

It's kind of like.

 Matt Marshall

Imagine an elephant.

 Matt Marshall

How can you not imagine an elephant if you if you even just get an inkling of?

 Matt Marshall

If you get an inkling of remembering that thing that you once saw years ago, and you go, ah, that is disgusting and I, I'll never.

 Speaker 4

Yeah yeah, Yep.

 Matt Marshall

I'll never want to go to the dark web again because of that, you know, or whatever it might be.

 Matt Marshall

I think that's that's an important an important.

 Matt Marshall

Point doesn't matter.

 Matt Marshall

You know that but but when it comes to it?

 Matt Marshall

Dark Web is is a.

 Matt Marshall

It can be an incredibly dangerous place to to hang out to to do any investigation.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Now, if you if you are a member of an International Criminal organization or transnational criminal organization, maybe you spend most of your day on the dark.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Web, so it's.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Different thing.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And they're used to it, and they are completely desensitized or whatever. However, if you're like probably 99.999% of most of the rest of us, regular Joe and Jane, Americans and Westerners

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If you go on the on the dark web you you have a potentiality of seeing something in there that could actually.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I'm in my opinion, scary.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I know I've been scarred but for everybody knowledge of the deep web is defined as a portion of the Internet that is hidden and not shown from conventional.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Search engine.

 Speaker 2

It is.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Now the dark Web is a subset of the deep web which is intentionally hidden.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You have to have the onion router and you have to have encryption and speciality software, and I'm going to pull up and share screen real quick.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

An illustration of what the there's an actual illustration.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Of deep web versus dark web and all share screen of it real quick as it's.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, that'd be great.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uh, I'm trying to get to the picture, and apparently this isn't the picture.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's it's not the picture I want.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And it shows you where this stuff is at as well.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So here we go guys.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I'll share my screen.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And for those not viewing, I'll read it out.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

On the surface, you have the surface wave, your Wikipedia, your Google, your being, the cloud, et cetera.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

In the deep web you have even stuff like government resources and academic information, but a lot of that stuff that may not be open.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

To the public.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And then you go down to the bottom, where it's the dark web, and that's where you have hackers.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You have illegal **** you have the Tor encrypted sites and stuff like this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And this is where a lot of these guys do in Child Exploitation for the CSM child sexual abuse material.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They put this stuff out there.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

But they do for information they do have.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I'll stop sharing this right now.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Give people anybody else that's watching.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This they can pause.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It or whenever.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And take a snippet of it if they want to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I'm going to stop sharing that and I'll continue our.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Discussion, but they do the child exploiters do have online, just basic Internet sites that they go to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I won't discuss because I personally think it might be law enforcement sensitive.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Also, if you try this method.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

A lot of the sites are going to block you or by typing in some of these sites.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You will actually alert law enforcement.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That you might.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uhm, one of these type of predators, yeah so I'm not for those reasons.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I'm not going to tell you what these sites are, but what I will tell you is they are open Internet basic Internet sites that are usually image sharing sites.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Where somebody, if you're in your neighborhood.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And you see somebody with a camera and lens like this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This is a huge.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Telephoto lens.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And it's if they're not on like a model.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Shoot a high school senior shoot an engagement type shoot or something like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're not doing real estate, they're not doing wildlife.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You gotta wonder why is?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Somebody, typically over 6065 years old.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Just walking through you.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Really the playground with a camera with that type of lens on it. #1 #2. They're taking pictures of kids that they either have access to or in generally want to gain access to, and they're going to try to groom those kids, and on the open Internet they're going to show people about six different.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Images of each child at about the age of.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

3:00 to 6:00 or so.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's where most of the child molester types.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's their realm, about three or four to maybe 6 or 7.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That that's that's their spot.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It'll show these pictures on the open Internet and it is to lure the other people in to let them know they're their other friends.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They they share.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They do image sharing and.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They buy and sell images among a little community of these types of people.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And those pictures of the kids fully clothed at the at the playground, are to let others in their community know I have more pictures of these kids, and they're in my van.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're in my house, and they're obviously, of course, not clothed.

 Matt Marshall

We gotta think and we gotta think of another term for community.

 Matt Marshall

There's got to be another term because Community community implies a, you know something a bit together and good.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

At first

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, you're true.

 Speaker 4

You know?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You're right about that.

When you when?

 Matt Marshall

You say these people community.

 Matt Marshall

This is like a this is like an insidious group.

 Matt Marshall

You know it's it's.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, it I would.

 Matt Marshall

It's a nasty.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Say maybe a broker.

 Matt Marshall

You know it's a it's a group.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Because they're not pirates or something like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're not a community.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're not a criminal organization because they're not organized.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They don't actually.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

A lot of these guys.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're loosely connected because in general they don't form a bond and they have they're like thieves, so they say there's no honor among thieves.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

These guys have no honor either.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This they're going to rat on their friends or other things.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like this, if they don't really have friends.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's not a community, but it's a loose knit group of like minded individuals like.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah like minded diseased in infection.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This you could say.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Disease, they share the same same mental issue.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I mean, I think we can all agree that if you're.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Who is that?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Rock and roll piano player.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Great balls of fire guy.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Let me try to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Look that up.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

What was his name?

 Speaker 4

Great call.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Great Jerry Lee Lewis?

 Matt Marshall

Oh yeah, yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's a big.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Difference I think we can all agree there's a difference between Jerry Lee Lewis type that is somehow infatuated with his 14 year old cousin.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uh, and.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You know, if you're like 18 or 19 years old and you have a girlfriend, that's maybe 16 or so or something like that, there's differences.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's different levels of you know, a lot of what people will tolerate won't tolerate, but at the end of the day, what we have to truly understand and recognize is that as a society and a community.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Large is a nation.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Our nation and our states have actual written definitions and laws for adult and child and things like this and things that they will punish you for and things like if it's an 18 year old or 19 maybe even 25 year old boy or whatever, and it's a 16 year old girl. They may or may not punish.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That if it's.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You know they say.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Well she she got emancipated from her family.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

She's got her paperwork in or whatever things.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like this, so there's different levels and there's Jerry Lee, Bruce.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I think his cousin was 14 or whatever when they started seeing each other, but this level here number one.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's criminal enterprises where the sexual exploitation of the minors in Interstate sex trafficking.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's a criminal enterprise.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

First and foremost, so now they're probably going to also get busted with narcotics.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Prostitution and soliciting and such and producing child sexual abuse material because this their state is generally going to try to consider the girl under 18.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

She's 17 or below.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're going to consider her a minor this child.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's child sexual abuse.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Material because you were taking pictures, you were doing video or whatever else you were selling it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So you're going to get prosecuted for a pretty high level federal felony.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And those guys are going to and typical in general I don't know what.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're the sentences that they.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Serve end up being in actual.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Maybe they could get time off for good behavior or whatever.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Maybe they're out in five or ten years, but in jail they're going to be going to a federal penitentiary for some years.

 Matt Marshall

Hey, let me let me ask you a question and maybe maybe you know this.

 Matt Marshall

Maybe it don't, I'm not.

 Matt Marshall

I'm not.

 Matt Marshall

Sure, but in.

 Matt Marshall

In your experience not movies portray these guys as guys as older guys as older white guys typically and they're sitting there with a big old camera like you said and they're taking they're out at the playground.

 Matt Marshall

And they're taking pictures of the guy of the.

 Matt Marshall

Of the children running around and they're trying to, you know, walk up with their their big white van with no no windows.

 Matt Marshall

So I've got this image in my mind.

 Matt Marshall

Based on movies.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah.

 Matt Marshall

But you just mentioned something that's of interest, and that's they probably would get would get prosecuted for narcotics, for prostitution.

 Matt Marshall

For all these other things which you tip.

 Matt Marshall

Actually think of in in more gang related organization which is not not necessarily that older guy who's you know, sitting in a van somewhere.

 Speaker 4

Right?

 Matt Marshall

So I'm wondering what, what?

 Matt Marshall

What are your?

 Matt Marshall

What are your thoughts on that?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I think there's different levels and different strata, and just to clarify, right?

 Matt Marshall

So different groups, yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So there's there's the again.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The the six trafficking of minors that those are guys are in the games, and they're generally a little bit younger.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And then there's Child Exploitation and.

 Matt Marshall

I see.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

For the most part, I don't believe you're going to run into the guys that are actually trying to take pictures of them at the park.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If you do, just where Matt and I are encourage you to just report that, observe and report.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

But for the most part, those guys they are over 6065 years old. They're white Americans.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You you may be tipped off if you you know they're loners.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uh, I think in general they're probably they probably have pretty poor hygiene.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You don't see them socializing with hardly anybody else.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You might see them going to a Walmart or CSV or something like that to do a wire transfer to somebody that they don't know.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's uh.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Sounds like a girls name in the Philippines.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Things like that or some of those crews.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And most of those guys are in their in their 60s.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's about 65 or so.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, OK.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So with that now.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We'll go to the screen sharing of the.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Bomb of their flags.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So you can see what some of those flags are guys.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This is not the.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Be all end all of the flags for those that are not viewing, but they're just listening. We're on a site called the Mama beareffect.org.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Backslash red flags of child predators, so you can actually Google this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You don't need that website.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You can Google Mama bear effect red flags of child predators, or you can just say red flags of child probably.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And you're going to come up with this site.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, and this is a very good page right here that they've got.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

For keeping kids safe from sexual abuse right off the bat like Matt and I are struggling with a lot of these definitions and chatting and discussion with you.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're saying it's not a black and white issue.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Even experts on the issue who have interviewed convicted child molesters remarked how likable they appear, how there's a lot of different scenarios, a lot of the Gray areas.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

But as Matt Myerson, our main.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Focus for this is is.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Preparedness and awareness and possible prevention of these types of scenarios.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Our hope and goal is to provide you with the information to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

At least be aware that these.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Number of these scenarios?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Are out there.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Number two that are on.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The rise, but again we.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Want to go back to those statistics?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And say why are they on the on the rise?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Is it really a spike in actual activity?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Well, it probably isn't a little bit of a spike in actual activity, but most of it's probably like 16 or 17 year old girls going on Snapchat and.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, right, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, so we've already known that a lot of those that some of these studies came.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Back at sometimes three or four years ago.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That this this was happening, kids as young as 15 or so are starting to get more and more into 16, and it's another one of those vices.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's like smoking cigarettes.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Smoking marijuana, starting to drink alcohol, or something like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Kids at that age of risk parents.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're at that age risk they're starting to be 1415, sixteen in most schemes, where they're starting to get. They're starting to really push their boundaries, and they're going to try to push you.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And that's at that age where you're going to want to start, maybe even for their own protection.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Snooping on their devices and stuff.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You're you're still ultimately responsible.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

For these kids, legally.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Until they're over 18 or over.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And out of your house and stuff.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And I think there's a certain amount of freedom you want them.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

To have an experience.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

But as a parent, that freedom is earned in a lot of ways and you still have them under your guidance and certain restrictions for their protections because.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Our stepdaughter went.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This was a couple of years ago.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We found that she was actually trying to get on on Sugar Daddy sites.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Her and some of her friends.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Why they said they were doing it for fun in this game?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This is where.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We stepped in and we had a talk with him.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Did we spy?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

On him a.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Little bit yes.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Was it for a good reason?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yes, did we find out something?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That was potentially hazardous to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Them yes, did we prevent it?

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, it's interesting to to that point.

 Matt Marshall

There was some.

 Matt Marshall

I'm skipping ahead slightly, but I found it interesting that some of these sites.

 Matt Marshall

When it comes.

 Matt Marshall

To that sharing nude photography of yourself.

 Matt Marshall

That's a, that's a.

 Matt Marshall

Huge huge problem these days for for youth, for under under 18.

 Matt Marshall

And and in particular, as you mentioned 30, I would even go down as far as 13 to 13 to 17 year olds.

 Matt Marshall

Because yeah, those are the ones who like are significantly into into the snapchats and the and the you know Tik T.O.K and so on.

 Matt Marshall

And trying to share, share and of course.

 Matt Marshall

I mean, most of them don't use texting anymore. It's mostly Snapchat, but they said something to the tune of 40% of teens agree it's normal for people their age to share nude pictures of themselves, 40 percent, 40% of kids, almost almost. Half of them think it's normal to take.

 Speaker 4

Yes, yes.

 Matt Marshall

Nude pictures and send them that's disgusting.

 Matt Marshall

I mean you know that they that they get that into their mind somehow and then they and then half of them also believe that that it's.

 Matt Marshall

That they will be shamed if their parents find out now, granted it will be shameful.

 Matt Marshall

It'll be a Oh my gosh, I can't believe you did this kind of thing.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, but every.

 Matt Marshall

Parent in their mind and their mind should be thinking if this ever happened to my child.

 Matt Marshall

You need like we mentioned earlier, you need to maintain the relationship.

 Matt Marshall

Keep that relationship, because if you don't, if you don't, they're going to go off to the adult that they.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, exactly.

 Matt Marshall

Just sent the.

 Matt Marshall

Nudes too and.

 Matt Marshall

Think that that person is going to help them and save them, you know.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, and that was a huge thing that we actually discussed before we approached the stepdaughter.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uh, we I I stumbled on it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I told my wife and then we had a discussion and we said this is what we don't want to do and we we basically broached the topic with her and said, look, you know you might get a little bit upset, but yeah, we we were snooping a little bit.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We saw this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We're not shaming you, but we're telling you this is unacceptable.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You are exposing yourself to entirely too much hazard because.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We did see some incoming messages where there's people wanting to try to make a meeting or underground.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, exactly.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're like are you out of your mind?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Have you not seen Liam Neeson taken and taken 2 and taken 3?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The daughter never learned, right?

 Matt Marshall

Yep, and and and mcmafia.

 Matt Marshall

Oh my gosh these these shows.

 Matt Marshall

I mean they they portray it so well in some of these shows about how quickly and unexpected these things can happen, you know?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And this this this stuff is happening and it's not just to just any kids, it's to even rich kids with that girl 10 or so years ago but disappeared.

 Matt Marshall

And it's just.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Third, out of Bermuda, the Bahamas and we still don't know where she is for sure, but there was a lot of speculative speculation that.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, right?

 Matt Marshall

Right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uhm, I mean.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Think of it, if you're one of the predators internationally, that is a multimillionaire, Saudi or something like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Not to pick on a nationality or something like that, but to say if you have the money and power and influence and you prefer not just like Jeffrey Epstein, did, you know, like?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Any girl that's like 16 or so and going to high school.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Let's say you you want to pick the cream of.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The crop.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You know, pick one of the a kid that's more refined and coming from a more rich and affluent family, you have the money for that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You can actually try to pay somebody for that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's just like.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Paying anybody else you can pay.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Basic St criminals to try to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Abduct that kid for you and it happens it.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It actually happens that we're like we're saying Matt and I are hitting a panic button or trying to get anybody frantic.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's not a common everyday scenario.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

But there are sites you could go.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

To where you can look.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Up people names to see if they're on the sexual.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The sex offender list.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There are sites like this, Mama.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Bear effect where you can.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Become informed and become aware of what some of these things are like strangers versus acquaintances.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, you know, Doo Doo Doo people.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Conspicuously volunteer to work with children even though they don't have children of their own.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Do they spend more time with children than adults or other peers?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Do they have a favorite child that they seem to really like?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Do they conspicuously and unnecessarily give gifts or special privileges?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

For no apparent reason, things like this the hugging, the tickling, wrestling up things like this long stares or periods of watching the child.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's all these red flags in here guys on this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Mama bear effect and.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It tells you in the beginning.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The offenders may not display.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

All of these, or maybe even in it, you might stumble upon something that's not even on this list, and there's.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

A whole bunch.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Of these, but they have a whole long list of some or most of the typically seen red flags for known convicted child molesters and there.

 Matt Marshall

So here's here's an interesting example.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's listed here.

 Matt Marshall

Again, I speak anecdotally here, so I'm not talking any major statistics, but when we moved out here.

 Matt Marshall

We got to know, uh, uh, family very very closely our our, our real estate agent and that this this father invited us to their to their church.

 Matt Marshall

We wound up going to the church, spent a.

 Matt Marshall

Lot of time there.

 Matt Marshall

Uhm, wound up going to the small group in this in this family this family home.

 Matt Marshall

My my oldest son became best friends with with one of the children.

 Matt Marshall

One of the one of the other boys spent hours and hours over at that house spending the night so it over and over and.

 Matt Marshall

Again, after about 5-6 years something like that of us doing this and going through all this we we get this report from from the church that says this particular person.

 Matt Marshall

Has, uh has committed some.

 Matt Marshall

Thing we don't know what it was.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Oh man.

 Matt Marshall

And we're like, huh, I wonder.

 Matt Marshall

What that is, we know these people so we should go talk to them, right?

 Speaker 4

Yeah Oh no.

 Matt Marshall

So so my wife called called the the Wife and and and found out and they were really, really good friends.

 Matt Marshall

You know, we're all we're.

 Matt Marshall

All very good friends.

 Matt Marshall

We've been.

 Matt Marshall

We spend years together, right?

 Matt Marshall

Yeah and and.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, my wife gets out of the wife that Yep.

 Matt Marshall

Turns out that the husband was sexually abusing one of the daughters for years.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, for years, and nobody knew it.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, and and then maybe you know the first thing my wife asks is OK.

 Matt Marshall

Are there any indications that.

 Matt Marshall

That our son was affected in any way.

 Matt Marshall

No, no indications of that.

 Matt Marshall

We went to our son.

 Matt Marshall

We talked to him about it, but it was like and and the rift the the what that causes in the in the actual community I'm going to use the word community because it was a beautiful community.

 Matt Marshall

That we had at the time.

 Matt Marshall

But the rift that it caused.

 Matt Marshall

Was was tremendous.

 Matt Marshall

It was an absolute upheaval.

 Speaker 4

Only in here.

 Matt Marshall

The church completely disintegrated and went in different directions.

 Matt Marshall

It was, it was incredibly destructive.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, irreparable sold.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Matt, I hate to say it, but you bring up a huge and significant point here with all this so all our viewers or listeners can understand about the sensitivity to this as well.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The disc goes to the cultural different cultures of different regions.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Discussion that we had earlier.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Those guys are not going to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're not going to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Announce that if anything like that happened in their family or or they're not going to let you know either, you know my cousin.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Killed in a an attack against the American consulate in Yemen or something like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're going to keep quiet about it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And if anybody in their community finds out about it, the whole their whole community is going to also remain silent about it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

'cause they're.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Going to especially.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If they're in America or even.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Canada, just so you guys know to our friends in the Great White North up there, you're Canadian.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Security and intelligence services sisis your version of the CIA.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They are on it like a cheap suit.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

These guys are all over terrorism Child Exploitation.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're extremely good partners with America.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Your Royal Canadian Royal Canadian mounted.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Police as well.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's almost like the Canadian version of the FBI.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Those communities are going to almost go.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're going to be really insulated about stuff like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's why they have to obfuscate all of their.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Family remittances back home in general.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Do aboveboard with regular money service businesses or whatever they're sitting there, they have a business or they have.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Of whatever, however, they're making money here in North America and Europe.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're sending money back home, but they don't even want to draw too much attention to that because they're concerned about any type of scrutiny that might place upon them.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Saying it goes with their community and our community.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

When it comes to a case like this, they don't.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They they will actually be in denial about that kind of scenario playing out.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Ever even occurring and.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

In North America, like you said, it can devastate a church and there's some mega churches in this area.

 Speaker 4

No no.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We know we know of a church in Texas, I don't.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I'm not going to name the name because I only remember what the name.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I was.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

But I had a very close friend that I think he was actually going to this church and they I think they actually had a Soccer League and #1.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

He got really ****** *** at him because.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They played against.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Somebody that went after his wife and actually maliciously tackled her and broke her leg.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And it was just really egregious and they got that she was in a cast and traction for a long time.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I may be speaking out of turn here a little bit, so I don't want to get too detailed with exactly who it is and what group they were in on all this other kind of stuff, but I know.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

He did speak out against.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I think he was one of many actually that spoke out against one of, I think it's a mega church in this area.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They had a missionary couple in Africa.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And the.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The only thing that the community knows was that they basically the church pulled the plug on mailmen brought them back.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The next thing they knew that couple had gotten a divorce and I think eventually they found out he was going to be going to prison for a while.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It eventually came out that while he was out there he had a computer.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That they found some child *********** on and, uh, if I?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If I have if anybody figures if any of our listeners figure out what I'm talking about and they find out I'm saying the wrong exact information, I'm going to apologize in advance because I don't know exactly all the details of how it played out because.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

One of the main reasons is the church intentionally kept a lot of this stuff.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Extremely hush hush.

 Matt Marshall

Or vague yeah yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Vague, so I think the church is so big and powerful that it actually had it pretty minimized in news and everything else, so I don't know if he went to prison.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I do believe the couple did get a divorce.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I believe he was at least investigated.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And I don't.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Know what all else happened after that?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

But from what I understand.

 Speaker 4

Yeah I wanna.

 Matt Marshall

I want to clarify one one thing.

 Matt Marshall

OK, I'm a Christian, I I don't want to make it sound like this happens in all churches, right?

 Speaker 4

But yeah.

 Matt Marshall

I I it's.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, and this is one of the things just like the Catholic Church.

 Matt Marshall

Oh my God, the Catholic Church is so horrible now because, uh, a number, and it's a pretty big number, but a number of.

 Matt Marshall

People were investigated and accused of and.

 Matt Marshall

Will eventually I'm sure.

 Matt Marshall

Be tried for molestation of children.

 Matt Marshall

I'm not saying the Christian faith or churches in general are horrible places because it is everywhere it can be anywhere.

 Matt Marshall

And the whole point of this discussion is to let people know.

 Matt Marshall

We want to bring this back to preparedness.

 Matt Marshall

Right, the whole idea is to have you.

 Matt Marshall

Be prepared as a parent, as a grandparent, weird annexures grandparents, now right.

 Matt Marshall

And that's one of the things that we need to we need to be prepared for is to have discussions with with kids with teenagers with even young adults and letting them know you're getting into dangerous territory when you play these games.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Right, exactly Matt.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's just about awareness and preparedness and hopeful prevention, and it can.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We're thinking maybe a trickle down effect lead to some prevention, but I don't believe there's going to be an all on all out prevention.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

But one of the things that people have to understand is that an individual has to do what that individual feels is in the best interest of that individual.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And if it's a law enforcement agent, they are going to go after these offenders, like with a passion and a zeal that you have never even seen before.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If it's the offender themselves, you might see them.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Get defensive in a way you've never seen before.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like that initial FBI scenario that we opened that episode up with.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If if it's an institution the institution has to do what is in the best interest of the institution, and they have to protect themselves, and they're not going to let themselves.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Get caved in whether it's a city, a community, or whether it's a church and so.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

A singular occurrence or even some occurrences within a huge Church of like 2 billion people is not indicative of systemic in my opinion.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Now some people are trying to say it's systemic.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Or whatever and they kinda point.

 Speaker 4

Right, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Fingers at the vowels of celibacy or whatever, but I don't, you know.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You're talking about in general, and Christianity in general is like this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The largest religion in the World, 2 billion adherents, Islam right behind it, close number two with almost about 2 billion adherents.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And then there's the other religions.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

For the most part, a lot of a lot of Asia with China is agnostic or.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're into the.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Nature Buddhist Buddhism or Hindu things like that but.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

These two main ones, whether it's Islam or Christianity and it's inside of Christianity, whether it's you know the Catholic faith or whatever, I don't think there's systemic, and for the most part, I think you're.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Religious institution is a foundation and stands for as much as it can for everything that is good and virtuous in society, and it should be a safe haven and a boon for runaways and those.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uhm, you know, messed up in the header where they should be able to go to their family, their parents, other family members or church clergy and say hey, I've got some troubles and pants.

 Matt Marshall

Problems Yep Yep.

 Speaker 2

Right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, counselors or clergy in the schools, even private schools or whatever and or churches.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Should be able to help and I think in 90 some odd percent of the cases they actually help and it's just these one off.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So we talked about these warm ups for that reason to be prepared in so far as if it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If you ever see.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It occur you're not like shocked like Oh my.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

God, how could this occur?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You're still going to say that we know of another small church in Oklahoma where some family members were going there and they were saying this kid right here and this kid right here.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, right, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

He's like 15 years old and whatever, and he's saying he's got violent tendencies and.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

He says he wants to do something to this little girl for a long time.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They ignored it, they ignored it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They ignored it and when whenever it came out to him actually naming our girls and I'm really having fantasies about this one little girl.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The church had to take some actions on that, and I think that church that we knew of in Oklahoma actually kind of dissolved as well because there there's affluent members of the family involved in the church that were obviously, of course that the boys.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Correct and there was the the pastor and his.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uh, family members that we're trying to do the best thing for the church, but there is a majority of the people in the church that were just too afraid of the situation or they just went to a neighboring church that so in that scenario it is not saying that.

 Speaker 4

Yeah, right, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's some sort of systemic issue.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's just these warn offs and it's these one offs that Matt my in this discussion that we're hoping to prepare you and make you aware of and this Mama bear site that we're going through.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I think one of these points right here is someone spends a lot of time doing ***********

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

*********** is one of the ways that they.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Groom the child they want to make that normalized for the child see look like everybody does this.

This is normal.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's normal for us to be naked.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We only wear clothes when we go out.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

When we come into Uncle Bobs House and and everybody goes away.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You can run around.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Here, 456 years old.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You could just be naked and Uncle Bob is going.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

To be naked too.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's that's what kind of a grooming snow you get into different levels of grooming.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

When it's maybe, say?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like a high school teacher, male or female, they're in their 30s or whatever and they're grooming the 16 or 17 year old student.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So there's different levels of grooming, so all those types of red flags are in here with this Mama bear effect.

 Matt Marshall

111 thing actually before you go into female offenders, one of the things I thought was interesting is there is a there is a portion also in the Mama bear effect where it talks about.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The email offenders.

 Matt Marshall

The four steps that an abuser.

 Matt Marshall

Follows and it's and it's pretty simple, right?

 Matt Marshall

It's it's they gain access.

 Matt Marshall

They capitalize on trust and authority.

 Matt Marshall

They break down any boundaries, and then they maintain control and secrecy.

 Matt Marshall

And so I think we'll be touching on a bit more of this.

 Matt Marshall

But those those four areas.

 Matt Marshall

If you that's I think one of the neatest things about this this Mama bear effect is it talks about it.

 Matt Marshall

It reflects on.

 Matt Marshall

On an abuser, what that abuser does, how they attempt to to access that child, how they attempt to influence that child, and essentially and effectively control that child when it when it gets to that point in time.

 Matt Marshall

So yeah, this is, it's it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, so there's some things here with the female offenders and we're not going to read them.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We've already let everybody, if you're able to see it, you can see some of the stuff on the screen, or you have the tools that you can read through this more.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's juvenile offenders.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

What you can do to reduce the risk of abuse?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Educate, empower and educate the people we trust and build a body of body safety circle around the child.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You're safe here.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You can tell us anything.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's why with Matt and I previously said you don't want to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Do you know?

 Speaker 4

Well, yeah.

 Matt Marshall

Fame the child or yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

But yeah, you don't want to make your child feel too ostracized or like you're spying on too much, or that they can't come to you, etc.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Empower children to know their rights and be prepared, prepared to defend them.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Minimize the opportunities and you speak up and let let them speak up.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If you witness something, if it's whether it's the.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Creepy looking guy in the in the children park or playground.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Or whatever else you witness, and there's made some instances you might be able to interview, but for the most part we're recommending.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Because of that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

FBI scenario you observe and report and just report this and let the cops deal with it because they're more trained, knowledgeable, they can actually maybe run a background check.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

On this card say Oh yeah, and they may not tell you.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They don't have an obligation to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Tell you or they may.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And he said, Oh yeah, by the way we found out Fred over here.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Next door neighbor.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, he's on the registered.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Sex offender list.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So good call, good call it what you observed there.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We'll be keeping an eye on him and then they can do a close patrol in your neighborhood.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Make sure Fred is staying within his balance.

 Speaker 4

Right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

You you made a good observation.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And you observed, and you reported, and you didn't endanger yourself, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Buddy to where this guy may get on the offensive, not just the defensive, but the offense.

 Matt Marshall

Yeah, so one one more point, I would make around that is we also want to be careful that that that Ed you mentioned it earlier in the earlier in the show today and that's we're not.

 Matt Marshall

We're not here to just send up all these alarms and everything.

 Matt Marshall

Oh my gosh, this is such a huge a huge thing going on.

 Matt Marshall

We want people to be aware.

 Matt Marshall

This doesn't mean that every old man in your neighborhood is a sex offender and a Child Exploitation expert.

 Matt Marshall

Is this not what we're seeing?

 Matt Marshall

And there are definitely signs signs that you can look for this Mama bear site will help people understand what those what those signs can be.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

So there are guys I'm going to cap it off and summarize everything Matt and I have gone over in this podcast regarding.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Preparedness and awareness and hopefully possible prevention of Child Exploitation scenarios in general.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We're talking about child sexual exploitation.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Sometimes that's produced adults are producing sisam child sexual abuse materials.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uhm, we've gone over the FBI news from February of 2021 where a couple of agents in Florida were killed by a child sexual predator.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We've gone over geographical risks worldwide in general and talked about criminal enterprises.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Most of these criminal enterprises, whether they're involved in overall basic human smuggling.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Narcotics smuggling, weapons smuggling, whatever.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

All else, they're involved in.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're probably also involved in a little smattering, at least of.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Sexual material producing whether it's adult and illegal or it's adult and legal, or.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Even children stuff, probably children, stuff that the International Criminal organizations probably try to avoid that in jail because that's one headache that they don't need at all, because that's the kind of stuff like terrorism that is going to get the whole state to come down on you because there's actually a.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Violence and criminality. Continuing where.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

A little bit of drugs and other advice and other things like this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This is expected at this level or revolution.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's still protests and stuff like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're expected this level if you cross that line and get to criminal.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

As far as like child sexual issues or to terroristic.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's where you are not going to have the support of any consumers anymore or your some of your fellows, and that's where you're going to come.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Get a whole state body of enforcement levied against you, so there's a continuum there that Jack to understand.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's law enforcement.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's all over it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Whether it's that FBI and Homeland Security Canada services that their their law enforcement agencies are very good and effective on all this, trust them as much as you can.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Observe and report the websites right there for Thorn enough is enough.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Statistics are out there.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The red flags of child sexual predators from the Mama bear effect are all out there and that that is in summary or our podcast today covered guys Matt.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Are you ready to move on to?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Parting shot, Sir.

 Matt Marshall

I am.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I'll let you lead with the parting shots.

 Matt Marshall

58% of parents say they don't feel prepared if.

 Matt Marshall

Their child were to have.

 Matt Marshall

A nude of them leaked.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Oh God, I would blow it would I would lose my mind I'm not prepared.

 Matt Marshall

It it's it's a frankly we shouldn't be prepared because it's because it shouldn't happen, but it does happen. As we found out, you know, statistically 40% of kids these days.

 Matt Marshall

Believe that's perfectly natural, like that's something they should be doing, because apparently that's what a lot of them.

 Matt Marshall

Are doing and.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's they think.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

That's what the cool kids are doing.

 Matt Marshall

And that's not right.

 Matt Marshall

And the I think the best way to overcome these challenges that these kids have, they don't know.

 Matt Marshall

They just don't know because they they're being taught this stuff by, you know social media by other people in their in their their groups.

 Matt Marshall

The only way we can overcome that and even slightly combat it is to maintain that relationship with our kids and so so do that be.

 Matt Marshall

Make sure ensure you you maintain that relationship with your kids, so that's number one the the.

 Matt Marshall

Second thing that.

 Matt Marshall

I that I wanted to do is again just recap the four stages of abuse.

 Matt Marshall

So you've got if if there is a person who is seeking to to exploit a child, they first want to gain access.

 Matt Marshall

Second, they want to capitalize on that on that trust and their authority, so if they're an adult they want to use that authority over the child and say, well, don't you want to?

 Matt Marshall

You should want to do this because I am an authority over you.

 Matt Marshall

They want to breakdown boundaries.

 Matt Marshall

Anything that might stop them from being able to.

 Matt Marshall

Get in closer to the child and then they want to maintain control and number.

 Matt Marshall

And the last thing is super super important is secrecy, so teach teach the young children about secrecy.

 Matt Marshall

There's difference between and.

 Matt Marshall

This is one of the things Mama bear effect goes into.

 Matt Marshall

The difference between secrecy and surprise, right?

 Matt Marshall

Surprise meaning we can keep a secret about a surprise birthday party or something like that, right?

 Matt Marshall

But we don't keep secrets that no one will ever find out about.

 Matt Marshall

Those are secrets and secrets can be dangerous, so we need to make sure that.

 Matt Marshall

We were able.

 Matt Marshall

To share those with trusted adults, so those are four areas, I think that are really, really important. Just understand those four stages of of an abuser and Mama bear effect thorn.org.

 Matt Marshall

These are excellent, excellent places.

 Matt Marshall

Again, I would separate those out into two different areas.

 Matt Marshall

Mama bear effect being typically younger.

 Matt Marshall

Younger children and you'll see a lot of their documentation is around that up to 10 or 12 year old and then.

 Matt Marshall

There's the.

 Matt Marshall

Thethorn.org, which is much more the 13 to 17 year old which which talks about the sexual exploitation through social media and those type of things.

 Matt Marshall

And you know Snapchat?

 Matt Marshall

Those type of areas?

 Matt Marshall

So yeah, and that's all.

 Matt Marshall

I had for today.

 Matt Marshall

Ed thanks.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Thank you Matt and for my parting shot.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Uhm, I will just reiterate preparedness from a preparedness perspective, awareness overall, and they're thereby hopeful.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Slight prevention, maybe one case or something like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If we can prevent one case of of a kid, like when I was doing counterterrorism type intelligence type operations.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If I worked on one product, one report product a year.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Where I held a.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Save a good point.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I consider a good guy or we helped facilitate them capturing or killing a bad guy.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I considered that a win and if I was a cop or in this day and age, if I helped capture a child predator or I helped.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Prevent one, yeah.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Child predator scenario I would I would feel like my life was complete almost so it's something I'm very passionate about because the kids man, there's a point in time.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like kids, you do not.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's I don't care what age you want to cut it off at, but for me personally, it's like about 13.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Or so is just completely off limits for anybody.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If there's you know it's a boy is 15 and there's a 13 year old girl and they're kissing or something like that, that's that's.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Like a little different, that's a whole different discussion.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, we're talking like generally like.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

30 to 65 plus year old adults, generally males, sometimes females, and we're talking like 5 year olds. That that's just I just can't.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

My brain can't wrap itself around it and I will not.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I will not tolerate or accept it and I want to do everything I can to spread as much.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Information to anybody who wants to listen to about ways to possibly detect that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Information sources for awareness what to do.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If you see some of these red signs, call the police.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Don't don't approach because they're getting dangerous.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And uh, overall parting shot.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Thanks for having me on the the show Matt.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Thanks for letting me pilot this one.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's hashing of mine and it's it's a huge key thing right up there with like terrorism, Child Exploitation, not acceptable and.

I know guys.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's it's.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

There's a lot of Gray areas.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

And it can be extremely sensitive.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Different ages of different kids is that your 15 year old daughter?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Is that your 17 year old daughter a nude his leaked?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

How do you handle that?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Personally, I don't know I I'm not prepared for that myself, even though we've talked to our daughter about her.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Previously perusing a website called Sugar Daddy, things like that we weren't prepared for that, but we talked to.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We talked it through.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We maintained the relationship.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, we're not.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We're not out casting her or labeling her or anything else like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

We just said, hey?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Oh, there's also charities against this kind of stuff that you want to donate to a lot of I think Thorn Ashton Kutcher.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Thorn takes donations.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

They're working on a huge database of of offenders, and the red flags and everything else like that Aston.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I I watched Ashton Kutcher's speech about Child Exploitation that he delivered for Thorn is very impassionate as as well, I think Ashton hearted on this issue is in the right place. If there's one celebrity or actor out there that you could get behind it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

It's probably this one for this purpose, because this isn't just like any other, like, oh, you.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Need we need to stop?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This political issue over here.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This is not a pump this.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Is kids guys at.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Safety of children.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

This is not politics and I'm not telling you to donate to Ashton Kutcher or anything.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I'm just saying that that's another thing out there for you.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The information out there I really loved and enjoyed presenting to you as best that I could in the time that we have and not going overboard too much and we don't want to create fear or panic.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The statistics are up, but there's certain reasons that these statistics are up, so don't freak out.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Think it's all in in all.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The churches and that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Every kid in all high schools is always doing this kind of stuff or every every old man out there is trying to pick up on a 5 year old or anything else like that.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The statistics are up because of the Internet and mobile phones and devices and stuff like that plus.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Banks and other financial institutions and other or where people like us are reporting it more to law enforcement and law enforcement is getting those tips.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Keep those tips coming in guys.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If you're wrong, that's OK.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The cops aren't going to tell that guy well.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Hey, your neighbor, right?

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Over here is the one who knocked you out.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

He thought you were, you know, doing some kiddie stuff.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

The cops aren't going to say that, so if you have a tip, just give it to the cops that they may have different.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Policies with different departments on whether or not they can re contact you after you report.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

If they can and you'll say, yeah, just so you know that guy down the street over there is on the sex offender list.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, right.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Anyway, see something say something guys report it.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Don't try to intervene directly in most cases and again it it was an honor to share this information that I'm very I think is very important.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Yeah, thank you very much.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

I will let you say audio.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Sure, audience Matt.

 Matt Marshall

Well, hey, thanks for thanks for joining us today.

 Matt Marshall

If we can if we can prevent just one, I think it's absolutely worth it.

 Matt Marshall

So thank you to the audience.

 Matt Marshall

And for now this is Matt Marshall signing off.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Ed Watson signing off.

 Ed Wasson (aka Wilksie)

Thank you everybody.