00:00:16 Matt Marshall 

Well hello there again and welcome back to Gen X talking in one of our recent shows we reviewed several different types of bug out bags or I should say I should say. 

00:00:28 Ed Wasson 

Hold up then. 

00:00:30 Matt Marshall 

Bags in general right. 

00:00:31 Matt Marshall 

We talked a little bit about bug out bags and about everyday carry we talked about get home safe bags and then a little bit about what what the. 

00:00:39 Matt Marshall 

The meaning of loadout means. 

00:00:42 Matt Marshall 

So those were a few things we touched on, but we thought in. 

00:00:45 Matt Marshall 

In today's show, we'd just spend a little bit more time digging into the whys of what you put in a typical bag. 

00:00:55 Ed Wasson 

Yep, you can't just throw anything you want in a bag and just say hey, I'm good to go. 

00:01:01 Ed Wasson 

You gotta be a little bit, you know, organized. 

00:01:04 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, and there's there's actually some very important things to think to talk about there Ed, let's. 

00:01:09 Matt Marshall 

So let's start with. 

00:01:11 Matt Marshall 

Let's let's do this from the perspective of the survival rule of threes. 

00:01:17 Matt Marshall 

So if you if anyone just goes online and does an and as a search for survival rule of threes. 

00:01:27 Matt Marshall 

There's a pretty simple way of looking at it, and that's the four main areas, like for instance, a person can survive 3 minutes without air. 

00:01:36 Matt Marshall 

3-3 hours in a harsh environment like your extreme cold, extreme heat. 

00:01:42 Matt Marshall 

Three days without water and three weeks without food, so there's your 44 main areas. And so for today's now there's a whole bunch of other things that people talk about, like 3 second. 

00:01:57 Matt Marshall 

Psychological reaction time in a time of of like security or taking care of someone injury. 

00:02:04 Matt Marshall 

You know, uh, like an urgent urgent injury or the three three months without human interaction like the like we had during COVID. 

00:02:13 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, excellent points for excellent points. 

00:02:13 Matt Marshall 

So there's. 

00:02:15 Ed Wasson 

Mac, a lot of variables there. 

00:02:16 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, absolutely. 

00:02:18 Matt Marshall 

So there's a number of different directions you could go with that, but for for today for the. 

00:02:23 Matt Marshall 

For the episode we're focusing on just those four main areas, air, harsh environments. 

00:02:32 Matt Marshall 

Water and food. 

00:02:35 Matt Marshall 

OK. 

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And so with that framework, we can establish a baseline, a baseline of what actually goes into. 

00:02:43 Speaker 3 

Do the your. 

00:02:44 Matt Marshall 

Bag bug out bag every day, carry whatever it may be so. 

00:02:48 Matt Marshall 

So let's start with air. 

00:02:49 Matt Marshall 

3 minutes without air, right? 

00:02:51 Ed Wasson 

Very missed out here. 

00:02:52 Matt Marshall 

This could mean a number of different things. 

00:02:54 Ed Wasson 

It's a long time without air. 

00:02:56 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, my wife and I were actually talking about something the other day and and whether we were talking about heat stroke and and a child getting locked in a vehicle and and what happens to a child. 

00:03:09 Matt Marshall 

Uh, to their system, their heating system, their body heating system. 

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It tends to go into OverDrive and a child. 

00:03:19 Matt Marshall 

Body can heat up three to five times faster than it had been an adult, so within usually, if, uh, if the outside air temperature is 80 to 90 degrees, usually within 1015 minutes, the heat inside of that vehicle is basically close to death for a for a child. So it's really urgent to get them. But what came up? 

00:03:39 Matt Marshall 

During that discussion was what could actually be more urgent if a child is missing is look for pools of water first. 

00:03:47 Matt Marshall 

Swimming pools, ponds, lakes, rivers, whatever. 

00:03:50 Matt Marshall 

It may be. 

00:03:51 Matt Marshall 

Look there first because. 

00:03:54 Matt Marshall 

You can't survive 3 minutes without air, so if you're in water you only have 3 minutes to find that child, right? 

00:03:57 Ed Wasson 

Stop it. 

00:04:05 Matt Marshall 

When people think of protecting themselves in in air type situations, especially preparedness mind and survivalist type of people, they tend to start thinking World War Two gas masks. 

00:04:18 Matt Marshall 

I need to go out and protect myself against an atomic or a nuclear. 

00:04:23 Matt Marshall 

Bomb type of situation. 

00:04:26 Ed Wasson 

Some kind of scenario that's pretty crazy combat or something. 

00:04:29 Ed Wasson 

It's like a zombie apocalypse or something. 

00:04:31 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah, it tends to be the the thinking. 

00:04:33 Matt Marshall 

What are your thoughts on a gas mask? 

00:04:37 Ed Wasson 

Well, I mean. 

00:04:38 Ed Wasson 

The World War 21 isn't going to be very effective. I don't think anyway, especially if it is genuinely from that era. 

00:04:44 Ed Wasson 

Find one that's going to be effective is it's going to be hard to do. 

00:04:49 Ed Wasson 

They're not easy to find a good one that's effective is not cheap. 

00:04:54 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, but. 

00:04:57 Ed Wasson 

The the reality of it is, I mean, personally, I think the only people that really need that most urgently are the people that would probably be taken that some type of government or other force is going to come in and they need to defend themselves against. 

00:05:17 Ed Wasson 

Something like that. 

00:05:18 Ed Wasson 

I don't really think radiological, biological and chemical widespread attacks are something that you're going to be able to prepare for. 

00:05:29 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, sufficiently enough that a single gas mask is gonna. 

00:05:35 Ed Wasson 

Be effective enough for you. 

00:05:37 Ed Wasson 

You're going to have to. 

00:05:38 Ed Wasson 

If that is starting to become a a looming threat. 

00:05:42 Ed Wasson 

If it's, let's say it's in the news. 

00:05:44 Ed Wasson 

Or whatever, like similar. 

00:05:46 Ed Wasson 

To the cubic right Cuban missile crisis or something like that, but it's a some sort of nuclear, not nuclear, as much, but biochemical. 

00:05:55 Ed Wasson 

You're gonna need more than just the gas mask anyway. 

00:05:57 Ed Wasson 

You're going to need the whole suit, so we're going to get that. 

00:06:00 Ed Wasson 

So it's for me to be honest with you. 

00:06:01 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:06:03 Ed Wasson 

I just don't really think it's it's extremely practical for most people in most applications and most scenarios. 

00:06:10 Ed Wasson 

That's just me. 

00:06:10 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, so so then an alternative there's it's funny because last year during the the COVID. 

00:06:16 Matt Marshall 

There's when we talked about face masks, there was so many different confusing points of view coming out. 

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They said don't wear masks because of one thing they said. 

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Wear your mask because of another thing and then they said masks are useless and then they said you have to have double mask and then you have to end have an N95 mask. And so it was it was. 

00:06:37 Matt Marshall 

Fairly maddeningly, through all of last year in the beginning of this year, all the all the frustrating communications that have. 

00:06:44 Matt Marshall 

Come out. 

00:06:44 Ed Wasson 

Sure, and that's yeah goes to show. 

00:06:47 Ed Wasson 

You just tell me how certain the government is about a lot of things and their the the scary thing about it is in some countries like New Zealand they want you to believe that their government is the only good source of information and the government in some cases really doesn't even have all the facts. 

00:07:04 Ed Wasson 

And some of the facts are are rather disputable. 

00:07:08 Ed Wasson 

Or at least you can talk about them in most congenial atmospheres, but not in this situation or with scenario that you're talking about, because everything was just like no, we're not having any structured discussion about it. 

00:07:22 Ed Wasson 

Whatever we say goes, but we're going to just flip and flop on the issues and you just have to trust us. 

00:07:28 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, trust is A is a difficult thing in in some cases. 

00:07:31 Ed Wasson 

It is, Yep. 

00:07:33 Matt Marshall 

Yeah so So what one of the things that I thought from the perspective of a of a bug out bag or everyday carry or something like that? 

00:07:40 Matt Marshall 

What I settled on in in during the whole COVID out but I I was one of the buff guys right where you can slide it down. 

00:07:49 Matt Marshall 

Around your neck, like the, uh, the mission buff. 

00:07:51 Matt Marshall 

I think I'll probably wind up doing, uh. 

00:07:53 Matt Marshall 

Uh, a review on different types of small towels and and buffs and things like that that you can use for exactly this type of purpose, but it basically becomes a a self protection thing, not necessarily me stopping all my germs from blasting out to other people, but but me when I go into and I'm and I think about. 

00:08:15 Matt Marshall 

Situations like 911 where there's massive amounts of ash everywhere and you saw people walking, walking around with masks over their over their nose and mouth. 

00:08:27 Matt Marshall 

Yep, and it was just a piece piece of cloth. 

00:08:30 Matt Marshall 

It really was. 

00:08:30 Matt Marshall 

They were just trying anything to try to keep some of the some of the ash out of their breathing app or or their breathing system, right? 

00:08:39 Matt Marshall 

So yeah, exactly, that's what they look like, and that's what I look like. 

00:08:41 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, gotta do you gotta do. 

00:08:43 Matt Marshall 

That's what I looked out at. 

00:08:45 Matt Marshall 

Looked like out in public. 

00:08:47 Matt Marshall 

Every time I went out. 

00:08:48 Matt Marshall 

I just slid my buff up over my over my nose and and I was comfortable for myself. 

00:08:55 Matt Marshall 

OK, so just simply having some simple form of of mask face mask can help with the most common possibilities. 

00:09:06 Matt Marshall 

That's funny because one of the greatest benefits I thought of wearing that buff around my neck all the time is going into the public. 

00:09:16 Matt Marshall 

Oh, it usually smells pretty bad and just being able to put that thing up and just smell my own breath for a little bit was actually pleasant compared to the other smells you might get. 

00:09:27 Ed Wasson 

Especially if you run and do that one. 

00:09:30 Ed Wasson 

Bathroom at the convenient store of teach no spas. 

00:09:36 Ed Wasson 

If you can get there when they have it open now. 

00:09:39 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, there you go. 

00:09:40 Matt Marshall 

Usually locked or closed or whatever. 

00:09:41 Ed Wasson 

Is Roger close? 

00:09:43 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, so so the other the other alternative that I thought is and. 

00:09:48 Matt Marshall 

And gosh, I don't know if it was like this for you down where you are but but it was maddeningly. 

00:09:55 Matt Marshall 

When the when the everyone was freaking out about face masks during the first couple of months of of COVID. 

00:10:03 Matt Marshall 

It was madding that you couldn't find an an N95 mask. 

00:10:07 Ed Wasson 

Oh yeah, and just imagine that I mean. 

00:10:10 Ed Wasson 

If if I've. 

00:10:11 Ed Wasson 

Heard of a scenario where it appeared flawed by design that one looked like it. 

00:10:16 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, so yeah so. 

00:10:19 Matt Marshall 

I I thought from the perspective of bug out bag and preparing our listeners for to to be prepared. 

00:10:25 Matt Marshall 

Now what we had just and it was strange because it was just as a matter of my typical preparedness type of stuff. 

00:10:32 Matt Marshall 

If I was doing a lot of like drywall work and I was doing a lot of other work in the House, you know lumber or stuff like that, so I would wear masks fairly regularly around the house and I had a stock of about 10 of these N 95 masks during that time, but I was thinking myself because everybody is making a such big a deal out of this. 

00:10:53 Matt Marshall 

I'd better go get some more 'cause I'm you never know when you might need them and they only last a certain amount of time, right? 

00:10:58 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, you you had more on. 

00:10:59 Ed Wasson 

Stock for what you're talking about then my wife Nisha did and she's a nurse. 

00:11:04 Matt Marshall 

Wow yeah but then but then there was some some aspect of being in the health care industry. 

00:11:10 Matt Marshall 

Or, uh, eventually it caught up and they started preparing them, preparing the healthcare industry a lot better than most of the others. 

00:11:18 Matt Marshall 

Or at least that's what that's the messaging I have heard is not. 

00:11:21 Matt Marshall 

Is that not true or what? 

00:11:22 Matt Marshall 

What was happening from hers? 

00:11:23 Ed Wasson 

Well at her facility anyway, and a couple of others I believe they they actually did have an in 95. 

00:11:31 Ed Wasson 

A shortage for a little bit and they were using the variant that's just a little bit lower grade. 

00:11:38 Ed Wasson 

They're they're accepting and allowing that for a while, but I I think she was going. 

00:11:44 Ed Wasson 

Mix used one in 95 per day. She had nothing. She had nothing on stock personally in the house or otherwise. 

00:11:51 Ed Wasson 

She just going into work and there was areas where she had to work where she had to completely cover and glove up and mask up and everything else like that. 

00:12:00 Ed Wasson 

She'd go into those areas. 

00:12:03 Ed Wasson 

Treat or handle those patients. 

00:12:05 Ed Wasson 

However she had to handle those come back out and she would be able to keep that in. 

00:12:09 Ed Wasson 

95 mask and then go outside and do whatever she had to do to walk between different facilities. But in general, for I think months. 

00:12:18 Ed Wasson 

She'll have like 1M-95 mask day, a day or so every other two or three days or something I should know? Nothing on the stock. 

00:12:26 Matt Marshall 

But that's that's tough. 

00:12:28 Matt Marshall 

That's tough knowing knowing what they have to face. 

00:12:31 Matt Marshall 

You know, every every day as a nurse or doctor. 

00:12:34 Ed Wasson 

And her facility, as far as I know, they didn't have very many confirmed cases at all, and it's more of an elderly facility that still with the older elderly facility and that much exposure. 

00:12:35 Matt Marshall 

This is. 

00:12:49 Ed Wasson 

This contagious of a of a thing they didn't have hardly any confirmed cases there. 

00:12:55 Ed Wasson 

So is is good. 

00:12:56 Ed Wasson 

Probably a success for their it they were on. 

00:12:58 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, very fortunate. 

00:12:59 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, they were pretty strict lockdown for a while. But yeah, N 95 masks were hard, hard to come by for a while. 

00:13:05 Ed Wasson 

It's all good. 

00:13:05 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, I I I I just I think to myself how quickly things get out of hand when when you know some of these people they they find their self stuck in this left behind mode mindset when when they couldn't get their hands on something that the government is saying. 

00:13:21 Matt Marshall 

They need to. 

00:13:21 Matt Marshall 

Have and and even even trying to get it on Amazon or whatever. 

00:13:26 Matt Marshall 

It's just impossible to get or one of the things. 

00:13:30 Matt Marshall 

One of the things I found was there was absolute price gouging going on during that time, and as an example I can walk down the street right now. 

00:13:36 Speaker 3 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:13:41 Matt Marshall 

To a local like the Ace Hardware or Home Depot or something like that, and you can buy a little pack of like five or ten of these KN 95 masks for about 20 bucks right? 20 bucks. 

00:13:55 Matt Marshall 

Each mask last year was 50 bucks. 

00:13:59 Ed Wasson 

Just one and that and the FBI it did into investigating quite a few individuals who they eventually arrested for and avoid being charged and got him indicted and convicted of various fraud. 

00:13:59 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, you know. 

00:14:11 Matt Marshall 

Oh, that's good. 

00:14:12 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, there's quite a few fraud. 

00:14:15 Ed Wasson 

Scenarios where they said you're obviously gouging at A at a time where you can't be gouging on these things. 

00:14:20 Ed Wasson 

And and there's there's fraud scenarios attached to it, so some of the same guys that were saying I've got these KN 95 masks for sale for this price. 

00:14:30 Ed Wasson 

They're also saying that they had vaccinations, they they had some sort of coupon to give you some sort of bonus, like a $200 bonus. 

00:14:34 Matt Marshall 

Oh my goodness. 

00:14:41 Ed Wasson 

We're going to give you a check or a coupon for $200. All you gotta do is send us $2000. There's a lot of fraud scenarios going on during this time. 

00:14:48 Matt Marshall 

Oh, good night. 

00:14:51 Ed Wasson 

It's it was when the vampires were coming out. 

00:14:54 Ed Wasson 

Ever since this COVID hit, it's been a cash cow for. 

00:14:58 Ed Wasson 

A lot of of. 

00:14:59 Ed Wasson 

The fraudsters involve a lot more in the lot of the International Criminal organizations. 

00:15:05 Ed Wasson 

Basic little mafias, their little low guys that are just trying to stoke up in a little bit of money any way they can. 

00:15:11 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, wow and you would know about that type of stuff for sure. 

00:15:14 Ed Wasson 

We saw we saw few of those scenarios, yeah? 

00:15:16 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, so for the for the listeners it wouldn't hurt to just pop on over to to your local hardware store, pick up one of the little packet. 

00:15:26 Matt Marshall 

It's 510 whatever that you can throw in your throwing your bug out bag or get a couple of packets of three, put them in each one of your your yours, your wife, your your husbands, your child, whatever, whatever bags you create. Throw a couple of masks in there so you're so you're prepared and then later later you can start to worry about the full on gas. 

00:15:48 Matt Marshall 

Masks for nuclear war OK. 

00:15:49 Ed Wasson 

Exactly, yeah, I would say that this combat gas mask for most people in most scenarios is is not. 

00:15:59 Ed Wasson 

You know, as up there, that's not going to be in your bug out bag, you know? 

00:16:03 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, that's something that is like you put in the bar corner of your closet for a zombie apocalypse. 

00:16:11 Matt Marshall 

Total total zombie apocalypse. 

00:16:12 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, so there's your. 

00:16:14 Ed Wasson 

There's your variations on different levels of organization there, so if you got your you got your everyday bag, you got your bug out bag and then somewhere in the basement or closet you got. 

00:16:25 Ed Wasson 

You got your World War Two stash. 

00:16:28 Matt Marshall 

You you got your zombie apocalypse back? 

00:16:30 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, cool whatever. 

00:16:30 Matt Marshall 

Yeah for sure for sure for sure you can't even have a zombie apocalypse sign on the. 

00:16:32 Ed Wasson 

Whatever want to do. 

00:16:35 Matt Marshall 

Front of it. 

00:16:36 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, I like it. 

00:16:37 Ed Wasson 

I got one thing. 

00:16:46 Matt Marshall 

It's alright, so let's let's talk a little bit a little bit about harsh conditions so that the idea was three hours in harsh conditions and and generally what we think about here is we think about. 

00:17:00 Matt Marshall 

You know extreme heat, extreme cold being exposed to the to to different temperatures exposed to the elements in nature or whatever it may be, and you may think to yourself that's not necessarily typical. 

00:17:14 Matt Marshall 

If I'm at home right? 

00:17:16 Matt Marshall 

But the the objective is, if, uh, if you have something in your bag. 

00:17:20 Matt Marshall 

That will protect you for the from the elements and I'm going to use another term and that's shelter we have because if you have. 

00:17:29 Matt Marshall 

Uh, some type of shelter, whereas whether it's a tarp tent, a covered hammock or something like that that allows you to be up off the ground that allows you to be in a somewhat protected and warm environment. 

00:17:44 Matt Marshall 

Then you're you're so much better off in just about any type of. 

00:17:49 Matt Marshall 

Extreme condition. 

00:17:50 Ed Wasson 

Correct, right? 

00:17:52 Ed Wasson 

You are Matt right? 

00:17:52 Ed Wasson 

You are. 

00:17:53 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, weather, weather, hot or cold. 

00:17:55 Matt Marshall 

Uh, so, but it also becomes. 

00:17:59 Matt Marshall 

More of an exercise in knowing what surroundings you could potentially be in right, and that comes back to some of the other things we're talking about in the last show, and that's knowing what your risk index is of your area knowing. 

00:18:13 Matt Marshall 

If so, you're in the middle of we're in the middle of a of summer now, and the potential of there being. 

00:18:19 Matt Marshall 

Extreme heat in a particular area and maybe you get your car breaks down and you're stuck out on the road with 95 degree temperatures. 

00:18:27 Matt Marshall 

And you know, and 100% humidity out here in the East Coast. 

00:18:31 Ed Wasson 

Easy scenario, easy scenario. 

00:18:33 Ed Wasson 

It's going to happen, it's not if it's going to happen, it's swim. 

00:18:36 Matt Marshall 

It's probably when that's right, whether it's gas or a or a tire or whatever, it may be that that something happens in your vehicle and it's an awful bad surprise when it happens. 

00:18:47 Matt Marshall 

So so just have something available. 

00:18:50 Matt Marshall 

Understand how how you can use different. 

00:18:54 Matt Marshall 

Pieces of equipment that you can easily put into a bag that can protect you doing that during those situations. 

00:19:04 Matt Marshall 

In colder weather it could be something as simple as a heavier coat that you throw in alongside your backpack or your or your bug out bag. 

00:19:13 Matt Marshall 

It could be an insulated baby sack. 

00:19:16 Matt Marshall 

What are some of the things that you've seen in your your environment, Ed. 

00:19:19 Ed Wasson 

Well, in general in mine, like I said I've got the poncho and poncho liner so that almost covers you almost anytime and anywhere whether it's hot or cold or just really windy if you're out in the desert, it can you. 

00:19:35 Ed Wasson 

Put up a little lean too and you get under there and protect yourself from the sun and you want to do it in a way where you get a little bit of a breeze and you can stay in the shade a little bit and a little bit cooler. 

00:19:47 Ed Wasson 

Give yourself a little bit of a trench in there or whatever. 

00:19:50 Ed Wasson 

Try to set something up, maybe like a hammock or whatever, 'cause a hammock. 

00:19:52 Matt Marshall 

Excellent point. 

00:19:55 Ed Wasson 

But if you can find a way to secure it. 

00:20:00 Ed Wasson 

Balls up in a space about this this size. 

00:20:03 Ed Wasson 

This is very easy to put it. 

00:20:03 Matt Marshall 

Yeah yeah, yeah. 

00:20:04 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, it's very easy to put in a bug out back then. 

00:20:07 Ed Wasson 

You're so you got your poncho and it can protect from wind. 

00:20:13 Ed Wasson 

Rain and sun. 

00:20:16 Ed Wasson 

Those types of things. 

00:20:17 Ed Wasson 

If it's cold and you got your poncho liner that actually the poncho. 

00:20:22 Ed Wasson 

Although it can be set up like a shelter, half orbitty, it's actually a poncho with. 

00:20:29 Ed Wasson 

A hood so you can throw it. 

00:20:31 Ed Wasson 

Over you with the hood and you have a rain. 

00:20:34 Ed Wasson 

Basically, rain protection and put your poncho liner underneath and you're warm as well. 

00:20:40 Ed Wasson 

You know worse comes to worse. 

00:20:41 Ed Wasson 

Just get underneath some kind of shelter with if it's raining or cold. 

00:20:47 Ed Wasson 

You make yourself some shade or get to work. 

00:20:50 Ed Wasson 

You're out of direct sunlight, things like that. 

00:20:52 Ed Wasson 

If you're in the middle of the desert, 'cause we've seen we've seen Marines, other infantry types where they end up dying in the desert, 'cause they? 

00:21:01 Ed Wasson 

Just dehydrated, they did get out of the sun and in two or three days you're just done. 

00:21:07 Ed Wasson 

So we've seen those things happen. 

00:21:09 Ed Wasson 

So in my bag like I've always got my poncho and poncho liner and the wireless. 

00:21:13 Matt Marshall 

It's also known as. 

00:21:16 Ed Wasson 

Well, the poncho liner is my woobie and together they're sometimes called referred to as snivel gear snow and they call it snivel gear because in general it's raining and it's cold and you're snivelling and that's when you use it. 

00:21:25 Matt Marshall 

Naval gear 

00:21:35 Matt Marshall 

Love it man. 

00:21:35 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:21:36 Matt Marshall 

Love it and I love that term will be. 

00:21:38 Matt Marshall 

That's the reason I needed you to say it. 

00:21:40 Matt Marshall 

I just needed you to say that word. 

00:21:43 Matt Marshall 

It would be. 

00:21:44 Matt Marshall 

Thank you. 

00:21:44 Ed Wasson 

Really, and so like you go to this the the extreme conditions as well. 

00:21:49 Ed Wasson 

That's why I always have water with me as well. 

00:21:52 Ed Wasson 

You either have water in my bug out bag or we have the ability to get water quickly and we have the same lifestraw. 

00:22:01 Ed Wasson 

I believe that you do. 

00:22:02 Ed Wasson 

That we have a good picture of it and send it to you so you can upload it onto Instagram, Facebook, social media and we also have the little water purification pills so no matter where you go, you're going to be able to. 

00:22:16 Ed Wasson 

Hopefully get some water because. 

00:22:20 Ed Wasson 

In the deserts that I've trained in. 

00:22:22 Ed Wasson 

You can get some really hard. 

00:22:25 Ed Wasson 

Heat and need a lot of water really fast, yeah? 

00:22:28 Ed Wasson 

And the. 

00:22:30 Ed Wasson 

Thing a lot of people in the in like your side of the country may not realize is you're not going to come from the eastern seaboard where it's more humid. 

00:22:38 Ed Wasson 

Whether you're coming up from Boston Underground, Boston all the way down to Florida, you're not going to come here to the high desert. 

00:22:46 Ed Wasson 

And here say it's well, it's hot, yeah, but it's a dry heat I can deal with it and and you're thinking, OK? 

00:22:49 Matt Marshall 

But it's a dry heat. 

00:22:52 Ed Wasson 

Well, I don't need to, you know, have a long sleeve shirt on or I can be in my shorts. 

00:22:57 Ed Wasson 

So help me to drink as much because I'm I'm not sweating where you're in the eastern side where it's more humid and you're in the same heat and it seems hotter. 

00:23:06 Ed Wasson 

And your body is just pouring sweat. 

00:23:09 Ed Wasson 

Your body is pouring sweat. 

00:23:11 Ed Wasson 

In the high desert, but it's evaporating because the humidity out there in some places is less than 10% and you'll you'll just. 

00:23:19 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:23:22 Ed Wasson 

You'll be amazed at the end of the day, like wait a second. 

00:23:25 Ed Wasson 

I've got a headache. 

00:23:26 Ed Wasson 

I'm dizzy. 

00:23:27 Matt Marshall 

And dizzy, I'm nauseated. 

00:23:28 Ed Wasson 

No, I got it look. 

00:23:29 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:23:30 Ed Wasson 

I've got a sunburn. 

00:23:31 Ed Wasson 

What happened? 

00:23:31 Ed Wasson 

I didn't think it was that hot yet. 

00:23:33 Matt Marshall 

Yeah man. 

00:23:33 Ed Wasson 

The the sun out there is just blazing hot. 

00:23:36 Ed Wasson 

You just don't seem to feel it sometimes as much. It can still be 110 into people on the eastern seaboard. It might feel like it's 90. 

00:23:45 Ed Wasson 

But you need to. 

00:23:46 Ed Wasson 

You need to drink a lot of water and stay hydrated and you need to get you need to. 

00:23:51 Ed Wasson 

Not just sit out there in the sun and think, well, I got some sun room as well. 

00:23:55 Ed Wasson 

Get a little bit darker. 

00:23:56 Ed Wasson 

Get some so you need. 

00:23:58 Ed Wasson 

You need to stay in shelter if you're in some type of preparedness or survival situation, just just. 

00:24:05 Matt Marshall 

So so, so Speaking of shelter you just now we we've mentioned this term two times. 

00:24:11 Matt Marshall 

It's the bivy sack we've talked about it two Times Now, and the actual the longer term is bivouac right? 

00:24:18 Matt Marshall 

So it. 

00:24:19 Matt Marshall 

It's, and there's different types now. You mentioned a poncho right? And and I I highly suspect by Poncho you mean not one of those little cheesy ones that comes in the $30 bug out bag that you take out one time and it tears 50 times you know 50 times just hanging up on things and it's useless after about. 

00:24:39 Matt Marshall 

30 minutes of wearing it. 

00:24:41 Matt Marshall 

A real poncho is something that lasts that had that is made of of strong materials. 

00:24:48 Matt Marshall 

Waterproof materials, not water resistant, waterproof, matir. 

00:24:51 Matt Marshall 

Right? 

00:24:52 Matt Marshall 

Rules and and you can form it into many different forms. 

00:24:56 Matt Marshall 

Like you said, some sort of lean to that you can get out of the shade, something you can throw over your body with arms or or whatever it may be. 

00:25:06 Matt Marshall 

I actually got this one, this one that it has a hood on it with a clear clear section. 

00:25:12 Matt Marshall 

This is for my. 

00:25:13 Matt Marshall 

My Appalachian Trail hiking and it's got a clear front on it and it and it buttons and zips up the front and you can zip it down or zip it up from the bottom to let cool air come in. 

00:25:22 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, that's good, yeah? 

00:25:25 

OK. 

00:25:26 Matt Marshall 

You've got arm, you know, space is where your arms can come out and you can button up the sides of. 

00:25:31 Matt Marshall 

It so it and it actually it's an extended area out the back so it looks like a hump 'cause you can throw it right over your backpack. 

00:25:41 Matt Marshall 

It's intended for hiking long distances, so it's an excellent little little little poncho that I have, but it's not necessarily built for. 

00:25:44 Ed Wasson 

OK. 

00:25:51 Matt Marshall 

Building small shelters and things like that you probably could, but with the hood and with the holes for the arms, it probably wouldn't serve as much as a smaller shelter as much as like a normal tarp or a or a flat or. 

00:26:03 Matt Marshall 

Flatter type of poncho. 

00:26:05 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, so these ponchos that I'm talking about are the military style ponchos, and I believe it is about and I think it's about a 6 foot by 6 foot square and at the base of it along that square edge you have eye hole grommets and it's very sturdy. 

00:26:25 Ed Wasson 

Material now caveat here that. 

00:26:31 Ed Wasson 

You do have to occasionally keep. 

00:26:34 Ed Wasson 

Wet proofing basically treating it so you want you want to get your wet proofing type material on there. 

00:26:42 Ed Wasson 

Spray it on or whatever you want to do with that, because every especially if you go out really frequently with it, it basically tends to wear out and you need to inspect it once in awhile because although it is of a. 

00:26:55 Ed Wasson 

Tougher plasticky kind of material. 

00:26:57 Ed Wasson 

It can get little pin holes in it pretty easily, but imagine you get two of those. 

00:27:05 Ed Wasson 

And on one of the edges you can basically take 550 cord. 

00:27:12 Ed Wasson 

Sense them together in the middle. 

00:27:15 Ed Wasson 

Get a couple of sticks and put them up in the middle you you basically got a tent and then you've got the other grommet eyelets. 

00:27:21 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:27:24 Ed Wasson 

You can put other 550 cord in over here. Tack it down as if you had tent stakes. 

00:27:32 Ed Wasson 

Put them down in there and for all intents and purposes it can work we. 

00:27:37 Ed Wasson 

Use that like. 

00:27:39 Ed Wasson 

Americor is like almost like French foreign legionnaire type level of spa. 

00:27:45 Ed Wasson 

Light Infantry survivalism we we don't go out for three weeks or so in a huge GP tent with TV's and. 

00:27:55 Ed Wasson 

Electric fans and stuff like that with bunk beds and. 

00:28:01 Ed Wasson 

Wooden floors like I saw in the army. 

00:28:04 Ed Wasson 

The Marines would go out there for a week or two at a time and literally sleep on the ground or or just in a. 

00:28:12 Ed Wasson 

You're a sleeping bag or whatever, but. 

00:28:15 Ed Wasson 

But there's various training and various levels. 

00:28:18 Ed Wasson 

Learn your experience a little bit here and there. 

00:28:21 Ed Wasson 

How to do things differently here and there, and for all intents and purposes that's why I'm a big fan of the poncho and poncho liner because it's so small, universal, lightweight, easy to carry, stuff it in your bag. 

00:28:36 Ed Wasson 

You've got potential shelter waterproofing. 

00:28:39 Ed Wasson 

You can wrap everything up in in a in that poncho and it's basically waterproof. 

00:28:46 Ed Wasson 

So it's it's an oil. 

00:28:47 Ed Wasson 

I still have another military grade waterproof bag that I put everything in. 

00:28:52 Ed Wasson 

Trust me, ma'am, I learned that lesson the hard way in the Marines to you around. 

00:28:56 Ed Wasson 

Next thing you know, you don't have your. 

00:28:57 Ed Wasson 

You didn't put everything in your waterproof bags. 

00:29:00 Ed Wasson 

Everything is wet. 

00:29:02 Matt Marshall 

It sucks. 

00:29:03 Ed Wasson 

So, especially if you're in the Philippines here in the Philippines, out in the jungle, and it rains for over three weeks straight, you're just. 

00:29:10 Ed Wasson 

You're just dumb. 

00:29:11 Ed Wasson 

Your whole body is a pickle. 

00:29:14 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, it sucks. 

00:29:16 Matt Marshall 

Yeah man. 

00:29:17 Matt Marshall 

So, so the bivouac sack or the booty sack as as people call it, this is more of a. 

00:29:24 Matt Marshall 

It's almost like a uh, like a sleeping bag, but it's just one layer, and it's generally waterproof. 

00:29:33 Matt Marshall 

The the reason I say generally waterproof is my experience. 

00:29:37 Matt Marshall 

I don't know if it's the same for you, but when camping, when hiking, when doing whatever, whatever you care to do out in the out in the forest. 

00:29:43 Matt Marshall 

When I use a used, have attempted to use bivy sacks. 

00:29:50 Matt Marshall 

I would I would get overheated inside of it and so condensation would form and then my bag my normal sleeping bag inside would get completely drenched from the condensation by the morning time it was. 

00:29:53 

Oh yeah. 

00:30:02 Matt Marshall 

My sleeping bag was a mess. 

00:30:04 Matt Marshall 

Oh yeah, so that was not the greatest experience I believe. 

00:30:10 Matt Marshall 

That the intention of the baby sack is as emergency purpose, and you're not necessarily putting any sort of other liners. 

00:30:18 Matt Marshall 

Anything else inside it's intended to keep your body out of the in out of the elements and keep you basically warm or cool depending on how you look at it. 

00:30:29 Matt Marshall 

And depending on what that what the scenario is, so any any thoughts on a bivy sack? 

00:30:35 Ed Wasson 

Funny we could go back on that one to some of your earlier statements on that. 

00:30:39 Ed Wasson 

Like what do you like to do in the forest? 

00:30:41 Ed Wasson 

I like to fish. 

00:30:44 Ed Wasson 

You know, if I find a stream I like to fish in the forest. 

00:30:47 Ed Wasson 

Uhm, but just so any fans, friends, family, friends, whatever. 

00:30:55 Ed Wasson 

If they're listening to this. 

00:30:57 Ed Wasson 

So everybody knows my big thing about preparedness. 

00:31:02 Ed Wasson 

Is to try to. 

00:31:03 Ed Wasson 

Keep myself as comfortable as possible 'cause I'm big into that lately, because personally this is just me in my mindset, I put in most the time in those infantry groups and stuff like that, and I've slept. 

00:31:17 Ed Wasson 

On the ground enough. I'm 52 years old now. I've jumped out airplanes. My hip hurts my knees and ankles, neck and shoulder and stuff like that hurts sometimes and. 

00:31:28 Ed Wasson 

Especially if it's cold out at. 

00:31:30 Ed Wasson 

Right, if if I was the last time I did this was about 10 years ago and the New Mexico Army National Guard Combat Arms training company team went up into the mountains of around Santa Fe. 

00:31:44 Ed Wasson 

All this. 

00:31:44 Matt Marshall 

Beautiful area by the way. 

00:31:45 Ed Wasson 

So euphoria and. 

00:31:48 Ed Wasson 

Most of us were already trained up to go on another deployment to OEF. 

00:31:54 Ed Wasson 

And we decided to do some survival training so. 

00:32:00 Ed Wasson 

Troops of ours were getting geared up for Searcy when they call survival escape resistance evasion. 

00:32:08 Ed Wasson 

See that's what they call camp Slappy. 

00:32:11 Ed Wasson 

That's where they they can actually hit you as hard as they want with an open hand. 

00:32:15 Ed Wasson 

I've heard of them knocking out teeth etc. 

00:32:17 Matt Marshall 

Holy cow. 

00:32:18 Ed Wasson 

Et cetera. 

00:32:19 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, so there it's a hard course. 

00:32:20 Ed Wasson 

Survival course they asked me if I wanted to go through it. 

00:32:23 Ed Wasson 

I said look, I'm not a special forces level troop anymore. 

00:32:27 Ed Wasson 

I I really never was. 

00:32:30 Ed Wasson 

We're not doing that type of mission in the AF right now. 

00:32:32 Ed Wasson 

I don't want to volunteer for Sir level C, but we went out there in the Santa Fe Mountains for a couple of nights and I believe the overnight temperature. 

00:32:42 Ed Wasson 

This is like February or March, so the overnight temperatures were, I believe, under 30 degrees. 

00:32:49 Ed Wasson 

And I'm sleeping on almost rock hard ground I'm I think I was 42 or so at the time and I would wake up in the morning and just it's so much. 

00:33:00 Ed Wasson 

Joint pain it was unbearable. 

00:33:02 Ed Wasson 

So for me preparedness put you know the bitty sack things like that. 

00:33:08 Ed Wasson 

That's ******** that for me right now that's more hard for almost like survival. 

00:33:13 Ed Wasson 

It's not preparedness as much as like. 

00:33:17 Ed Wasson 

My goal is to try to stay as calm as comfortable as possible, so I'm going to try to, yeah, so I'm going to try to get to somewhere where I'm going to hike. 

00:33:21 Matt Marshall 

Keep keep good point Yep. 

00:33:23 Matt Marshall 

Yep yeah. 

00:33:27 Ed Wasson 

I can hike. 

00:33:29 Ed Wasson 

Almost all day now they take a break here and there and it doesn't matter the elevation or anything like that. 

00:33:35 Ed Wasson 

Once you get acclimated to the elevation order, it doesn't matter how much weight you got on. I can go to probably 55 pounds if I train up to to that for a few weeks so I can hike. The problem is. 

00:33:48 Ed Wasson 

At night when I go to sleep, I'm gonna want to sleep on a cot or something. 

00:33:52 Matt Marshall 

Something comfortable, yeah? 

00:33:53 Ed Wasson 

So I have to have something like that prepared so this babysat concept is, like almost like a last chance Bill. 

00:34:01 Ed Wasson 

It's yeah I'm only going to repay. 

00:34:04 Ed Wasson 

Roll off of this last chance built with 550 cord. Last chance like this is a last ditch effort. 

00:34:11 Matt Marshall 

Absolute last resort for sure. 

00:34:13 Speaker 3 

The last resort. 

00:34:14 Matt Marshall 

Yeah yeah. 

00:34:15 Ed Wasson 

So I'm not going to be in a bivy sack, sleeping on the ground unless there is some dire situations going on. 

00:34:23 Ed Wasson 

That's just me. Now you're younger crowd out there. When I before I turn 35 or so already been through air assault and airborne and all that before then. 

00:34:31 Ed Wasson 

Sleep, go out, get your tint sleep in the forest, sleep on the ground, find yourself a bit of a lot of pine needles or something for a little bit of cushion. 

00:34:41 Ed Wasson 

Whatever I I could do that nowadays Tom just being honest I my body is not very capable of doing that. 

00:34:49 Ed Wasson 

It can have asked to. 

00:34:51 Ed Wasson 

I'm gonna wake up in the morning. 

00:34:52 Ed Wasson 

It's just extremely sore though. 

00:34:54 Ed Wasson 

I just know that. 

00:34:57 Matt Marshall 

There was this. 

00:34:59 Matt Marshall 

This reminds me of a story. 

00:35:01 Matt Marshall 

There was a I I was on a about a five day Appalachian Trail section hike and I was going through Georgia and I met up with these two guys. 

00:35:09 Matt Marshall 

One was a you know, younger guy, probably in his mid 30s. 

00:35:12 Matt Marshall 

One was an older guy Mid 60s and. 

00:35:16 Matt Marshall 

And we we said, OK, hey, you know we're we're hiking along pretty well. 

00:35:20 Matt Marshall 

Uh, just we would pass each other and then you know, kind of back it pass each other or pass each other back again. 

00:35:28 Matt Marshall 

And the older guy, he he, we, we got to one. 

00:35:33 Matt Marshall 

One shelter we said, OK, we'll just hang out tonight we'll we'll stay in this shelter. 

00:35:41 Matt Marshall 

And he broke out this like 4 inch sleeping pad and I can't remember the name of it. 

00:35:47 Ed Wasson 

Oh yeah. 

00:35:49 Matt Marshall 

I think it was from big Alps or something like that and it's called the oh the big Agnes I think was the name of this sleeping pad. 

00:35:56 Matt Marshall 

The thing is massive. 

00:35:58 Ed Wasson 

Right, so it's like 4 inches thick. 

00:36:00 Matt Marshall 

Easily 4 inches thick. 

00:36:02 Matt Marshall 

Now he it rolls up, you know, and it's and it's it's. 

00:36:04 Matt Marshall 

Uhm, it's inflatable. 

00:36:06 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, I was gonna say it's inflatable, yes? 

00:36:07 Matt Marshall 

So, so it shrinks down, but. 

00:36:09 Ed Wasson 

So that's something. 

00:36:10 Ed Wasson 

I've got something similar to that, but even even that I mean you have like an air mattress and you really want to bring out an air mattress. 

00:36:17 Ed Wasson 

That's still that's not in your bug out bag. 

00:36:18 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:36:20 Ed Wasson 

That's a. 

00:36:20 Matt Marshall 

No no. 

00:36:21 Ed Wasson 

That's like a survival situation that's in your truck, maybe. 

00:36:23 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:36:25 Matt Marshall 

Exactly exactly the The funny thing about this. 

00:36:28 Matt Marshall 

This particular 4 inch air mattress that he brought it took him a little a little while to to pump it up but every single move he made was. 

00:36:41 Speaker 3 

Oh yeah, yeah. 

00:36:44 Matt Marshall 

All night long all I mean it was just constant. 

00:36:47 Ed Wasson 

See it here like if he is rolling around you. 

00:36:48 Matt Marshall 

Oh man. 

00:36:50 Ed Wasson 

Can hear that stuff and yeah so. 

00:36:51 Matt Marshall 

You can hear. 

00:36:52 Matt Marshall 

Everything and I wouldn't. 

00:36:53 Speaker 3 

So that's that's the thing and that. 

00:36:54 Matt Marshall 

It was obnoxious. 

00:36:56 Ed Wasson 

That's why young troops aren't issued anything like that. 

00:36:59 Ed Wasson 

They get maybe just what they called an ISL map. 

00:37:03 Ed Wasson 

We used to. 

00:37:04 Ed Wasson 

If you're on a gate, what they call the Gator freighter like a helicopter carrier or something like that with an amphibious group and you go up. 

00:37:13 Ed Wasson 

To the flight deck that flight hey there, but what's going on, buddy? 

00:37:16 Speaker 3 

Let's be. 

00:37:18 Speaker 3 

She has to say. 

00:37:18 

Hold on, it says. 

00:37:19 Ed Wasson 

Baby oof, so the flight deck is is a really. 

00:37:24 Ed Wasson 

A rough, non skid surface it? 

00:37:28 Ed Wasson 

I mean it's OK to do pushups on it for a little bit, but if you're gonna sit. 

00:37:32 Ed Wasson 

The whole PT session for an hour doing like push-ups here and there and sits here and there. 

00:37:39 Ed Wasson 

We would bring up our isomet. 

00:37:40 Ed Wasson 

That's the one of the main things we ever used it. 

00:37:42 Ed Wasson 

For sometimes we didn't need it. 

00:37:43 Matt Marshall 

Is that like a like a A? 

00:37:46 Matt Marshall 

Yoga mat type of thing. 

00:37:47 Ed Wasson 

It's almost like a yoga mat. 

00:37:49 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, it's a little bit thicker and more more firm than a yoga mat, but we used to throw that. 

00:37:53 Speaker 3 

OK. 

00:37:54 Ed Wasson 

It used to be standard issue gear in the marine perimetry. 

00:37:57 Ed Wasson 

I don't know if it's still. 

00:37:58 Ed Wasson 

Is but they issue that because for tactical reasons you have to bring out an air mattress. 

00:38:04 Ed Wasson 

You don't have time to pump that stuff up. 

00:38:06 Ed Wasson 

Not unless you're in the army. 

00:38:09 Ed Wasson 

If you're in the army and you're going out for months on a field training thing, and in those training scenarios that they do for the army. 

00:38:17 Ed Wasson 

They do actually. 

00:38:18 Ed Wasson 

Take sometimes like different units at different levels. 

00:38:21 Ed Wasson 

They take weekends off. 

00:38:22 Ed Wasson 

They have evenings off or whatever, and they do field training for months. 

00:38:27 Ed Wasson 

But they're going into a like a 20 by 20 GP tent with a wooden floor. 

00:38:35 Ed Wasson 

Bunk beds, air conditioning. 

00:38:37 Ed Wasson 

They have electricity going in there and things like that. 

00:38:40 Ed Wasson 

And on their bunk beds they have actual mattresses. 

00:38:43 Ed Wasson 

Or they can bring in an air mattress. 

00:38:46 Ed Wasson 

I've seen that bought in they actually call in Domino's Pizza to the field. 

00:38:50 Matt Marshall 

Right? 

00:38:51 Ed Wasson 

It's it's a different training environment. 

00:38:53 Ed Wasson 

We're not talking about like. 

00:38:54 Ed Wasson 

Rangers or anything like that and let me back up in preface as well or caveat that. 

00:38:59 Ed Wasson 

If anybody is listening in there like a 60 year old. 

00:39:03 Ed Wasson 

A CIA jackrabbit that can still do Ninja rolls and stuff like that and. 

00:39:09 Ed Wasson 

You've been through. 

00:39:10 Ed Wasson 

The queue course and Halo and all. 

00:39:12 Ed Wasson 

That stuff and you're thinking owns. 

00:39:15 Ed Wasson 

The young little whippersnapper 

00:39:16 Ed Wasson 

You're only 52 in your wine, and about your ankles that look. I get that there's like one in 1000 of you guys. 

00:39:23 Ed Wasson 

Out there, but. 

00:39:25 Ed Wasson 

You can get into your late 50s or 60s or something like that, and you can still go out with a a paramilitary group with other government agencies out to Pakistan and go hunt people. 

00:39:38 Ed Wasson 

Not not all of us can, and I'm just saying I'm not one of those guys that can do that. 

00:39:43 Ed Wasson 

My body, I mean if it it's a survival situation, you gotta do what you gotta do. 

00:39:48 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, right, right? 

00:39:48 Ed Wasson 

But to go out to go out there and have fun or say this, it's a preparation, your preparedness and. 

00:39:55 Ed Wasson 

You know we need to bug out for a few days, so I need to sleep on the ground, no if we need to bug out for a few days, I'm going to try to find a hotel or something you know to be honest. 

00:40:06 Matt Marshall 

Very, very true, right? Right? 

00:40:07 Ed Wasson 

You you go camping, you go hiking the Appalachian with me Matt at the end of the hike you can hike all day. 

00:40:14 Ed Wasson 

I'm going in a cabin or something. 

00:40:16 Ed Wasson 

You know, I'm just telling you. 

00:40:18 Matt Marshall 

I that's why I haven't bugged you about it. 

00:40:21 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, I'm just being honest here stuff. 

00:40:21 Matt Marshall 

I I get it, I get it. 

00:40:25 Matt Marshall 

Just being honest happy. 

00:40:26 Ed Wasson 

No, I mean I want to go hiking. 

00:40:28 Ed Wasson 

You've talked about it before. 

00:40:29 Ed Wasson 

I want to go hiking with you, 'cause I want to do the Appalachian. 

00:40:32 Ed Wasson 

I want to do. 

00:40:33 Ed Wasson 

Scottish Highlands and all do. 

00:40:34 Matt Marshall 

Oh man. 

00:40:35 Ed Wasson 

Yeah I want to do the. 

00:40:39 Ed Wasson 

What's the other one in Spain we want to do? 

00:40:41 Matt Marshall 

Oh the combo. 

00:40:43 Ed Wasson 

Well katnal Camino. 

00:40:45 Matt Marshall 

Alchemy yeah, yeah. 

00:40:47 Matt Marshall 

OK, so let's get back to our our topic where were we? 

00:40:49 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, we got that. 

00:40:52 Matt Marshall 

Oh yeah shelters preparedness, yeah. 

00:40:55 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, shelters, preparedness. 

00:40:56 Ed Wasson 

But hey, we're just two guys talking. 

00:40:57 Matt Marshall 

We'll just do two guys talking, man, so uhm. 

00:41:02 Matt Marshall 

Here's an exercise. 

00:41:06 Matt Marshall 

And and here this this. 

00:41:08 Matt Marshall 

Actually, this actually comes to a scenario or comes from a scenario that my dad used to always do for us and that's and the reason I talk about it in shelter or being prepared and and how to respond is is you have to think about. 

00:41:25 Matt Marshall 

When you go into any any type of situation, you have to think about what's the potential for me. 

00:41:31 Matt Marshall 

My car breaking down. 

00:41:32 Matt Marshall 

What's the potential for me getting stuck out in the desert like here in in, you know, on the East Coast? 

00:41:37 Matt Marshall 

Not so much out where you are definitely a possibility you know. 

00:41:42 Speaker 3 

Oh yeah. 

00:41:43 Matt Marshall 

And so. 

00:41:44 Matt Marshall 

So it's interesting that you know. 

00:41:47 Matt Marshall 

Think about it for there's a reason why flight attendants go through that emergency briefing at the beginning of each each flight, right? 

00:41:53 Matt Marshall 

And that's to put there, the mind of the pass. 

00:41:56 Matt Marshall 

Passengers, this is the worst case scenario. 

00:41:58 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, right? 

00:42:00 Matt Marshall 

And and so that not everyone freaks out in the unlikely event, as they say, right? 

00:42:07 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, the the idea is it's putting into your mind that there's something that could happen. 

00:42:14 Matt Marshall 

Wherever I'm at, whether it's home, whether it's at work, whether it's at the grocery store. 

00:42:19 Matt Marshall 

So here's here's the exercise for the for the audience, and that's it. 

00:42:23 Matt Marshall 

Maybe it may seem morbid, OK, but the next time you're in a grocery store or a department store or something like that, be thoughtful. 

00:42:30 Matt Marshall 

Through the entire shopping trip. 

00:42:33 Matt Marshall 

And every minute, every few minutes or so, consider that question if there was an active assailant that came into the store and started shooting or stabbing people or something. 

00:42:45 Matt Marshall 

I say assailant because it's not always an active shooter, right? 

00:42:48 Matt Marshall 

We've seen that before we've seen in the news we've seen they've used knives. 

00:42:53 Matt Marshall 

They've used cars. 

00:42:54 Matt Marshall 

They've used vans, they've used planes to destroy or to cause fear and terror, and so an active assailant is just a different way of interpreting and getting into your mind that it could be anything that's that's causing this this terror for people. 

00:43:10 Matt Marshall 

But if my kids or my spouse is with me. 

00:43:14 Matt Marshall 

Where's the closest exit? 

00:43:16 Matt Marshall 

And it's you know it's not just for the movies, right? 

00:43:19 Matt Marshall 

It's anywhere you are. 

00:43:19 Matt Marshall 

Where's my closest exit? 

00:43:21 Matt Marshall 

How's, how's my where's my closest way of getting out? 

00:43:25 Matt Marshall 

What would I do if someone fell injured right in front of me? 

00:43:30 Matt Marshall 

Would I would I run? 

00:43:32 Matt Marshall 

Or would I try to help? 

00:43:33 Matt Marshall 

Would I try to apply a tourniquet because I've been trained in that? 

00:43:38 Matt Marshall 

Would I run away from the shooting or toward the shooting? 

00:43:41 Matt Marshall 

Now, most people anywhere are gonna run away, right? 

00:43:46 Matt Marshall 

But are you the type of person? 

00:43:48 Matt Marshall 

I know my wife is the type of person. 

00:43:52 Matt Marshall 

Who will run toward because she believes people are going to. 

00:43:56 Matt Marshall 

We need help. 

00:43:58 Matt Marshall 

And so that's just that's just the common thing. 

00:44:00 Matt Marshall 

That she would do. 

00:44:01 Matt Marshall 

But I keep trying to get into her mind. 

00:44:03 Matt Marshall 

No, you need to get away. 

00:44:05 Matt Marshall 

You need to get away from the loud noise you know and the things that are wreaking havoc on people. 

00:44:10 Matt Marshall 

Now if you again if somebody falls right in front of you and you have the skills and the ability to and the training. 

00:44:17 Matt Marshall 

To apply a tourniquet properly to hopefully get them and you have a tourniquet or something that you can use as a tourniquet. 

00:44:25 Matt Marshall 

Just the whole point is. 

00:44:28 Matt Marshall 

Try to try to go through that in your mind so that. 

00:44:34 Matt Marshall 

If anything happened in the future, you would actually have some concept in the back of your mind. 

00:44:40 Matt Marshall 

How you would respond. 

00:44:42 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, that's all bunch of excellent points. 

00:44:42 Matt Marshall 

You know? 

00:44:44 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 

00:44:45 Ed Wasson 

So going through the basics of my background. 

00:44:50 Ed Wasson 

Very basics. 

00:44:51 Ed Wasson 

You're taught your pace count, so to this day weather I'm walking. 

00:44:55 Ed Wasson 

No matter what kind of train it is. 

00:44:57 Ed Wasson 

Rough desert uphill in the Foresty mountain. 

00:45:01 Ed Wasson 

Or if I'm jogging well, I know my roughly what my pace count is, even in in you as a jogger too. 

00:45:09 Ed Wasson 

You know you and I've done quite a few half marathons together. 

00:45:13 Ed Wasson 

I'm sure you know by basic time, maybe not pace so much 'cause you're not always pacing for 13 miles. 

00:45:21 Ed Wasson 

But you generally know. 

00:45:23 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, I'm I'm right about within about 30 seconds or a minute of hitting this next mile so you hit that next Monday, right? 

00:45:32 Ed Wasson 

Yep, there's mile #7 and you and you're going. So you trained that way to this day. To this day I know my pace count roughly. 

00:45:41 Ed Wasson 

And to this day one of the. 

00:45:44 Ed Wasson 

Little quick video snippets that I put out as a quick intro was. 

00:45:50 Ed Wasson 

Leadership, training and psychology, and an introduction to acronyms. 

00:45:56 Ed Wasson 

Some of the acronyms are for survival, the acronym survival, so one of the acronyms is for leadership. 

00:46:02 Ed Wasson 

JJ did tie buckle on the acronyms is for first aid like know your types of wounds. 

00:46:10 Ed Wasson 

Abrasion puncture, avulsion, incision, laceration, and burns. 

00:46:16 Ed Wasson 

Those different types of burns. 

00:46:17 Ed Wasson 

How to treat those and. 

00:46:20 Ed Wasson 

Baby steps you learn a little bit and you say what you will about rote memorization and the Marine core was bad about it. 

00:46:28 Ed Wasson 

They made you memorize by rote certain things, and to this day, by rote memorization 30 years later. 

00:46:36 Ed Wasson 

I still know some of this stuff the way they taught it, and. 

00:46:40 Ed Wasson 

At the very least, it's something you can fall back on. 

00:46:42 Ed Wasson 

You fall back with it, it's like. 

00:46:46 Ed Wasson 

You play the way you train or practice, and if if you train or practice baby steps of basic skills. 

00:46:49 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, right? 

00:46:53 Matt Marshall 

OK. 

00:46:55 Ed Wasson 

When it comes to something really happening, you get a fat boom. 

00:47:00 Ed Wasson 

You pull off, you grab the wheel to make sure you're secure in the vehicle. 

00:47:04 Ed Wasson 

He's off the side of the road. 

00:47:06 Ed Wasson 

Make sure you're clear in traffic. 

00:47:07 Ed Wasson 

You don't panic or freak out. 

00:47:09 Ed Wasson 

You get out your off the side, you know where your your tire changing equipment is you know you got a spare. 

00:47:16 Ed Wasson 

Full size your donut? 

00:47:18 Ed Wasson 

Go out there and it shouldn't take you more than half an hour. 

00:47:20 Ed Wasson 

I mean if you're you're missing a piece here or something there or something that it might take a little bit longer. 

00:47:26 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, go to this the grocery store. 

00:47:28 Ed Wasson 

The scenario like. 

00:47:29 Ed Wasson 

You said what happens if this? 

00:47:31 Ed Wasson 

Do I run out the back out the the stock area where their loading docks are am I am I alone if I'm alone maybe you do something like that am I alone and they're hunting me because they think. 

00:47:36 Matt Marshall 

Right, right? 

00:47:44 Ed Wasson 

Uh, based whatever they think 'cause maybe sometimes you. 

00:47:49 Matt Marshall 

They they saw me talk about them on a on a podcast or on a YouTube video. 

00:47:52 Ed Wasson 

Something yeah, something like that, because some some of those mass shooting scenarios or whatever that actually very rare. 

00:48:02 Ed Wasson 

Actually that they're just random. 

00:48:05 Ed Wasson 

I don't know what the Las Vegas shooter was going after, but most most others. 

00:48:11 Ed Wasson 

They hit some other targets because they were targets of opportunity, but they were going after somebody there like the the post office. 

00:48:18 Ed Wasson 

Dude went in there. 

00:48:19 Ed Wasson 

The guy that attacked him on the post office even where the guy that attacked. 

00:48:24 Ed Wasson 

I think in El Paso mall he was going after somebody and everybody else is just. 

00:48:30 Ed Wasson 

It at the wrong place at the wrong time. 

00:48:33 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, yeah there is. 

00:48:34 Ed Wasson 

There's chances for there's sometimes they're after somebody so you gotta look at am I gonna be a a target of opportunity? 

00:48:42 Ed Wasson 

Is somebody else getting hit in front of me? 

00:48:44 Ed Wasson 

Do I go like you just said? 

00:48:46 Ed Wasson 

Do I go over here or I go over there? 

00:48:49 Ed Wasson 

Do I have an opportunity or window? 

00:48:51 Ed Wasson 

To attack the elderly or are they hitting us with that? 

00:48:53 Ed Wasson 

They come in with a car or a van they. 

00:48:56 Ed Wasson 

Is in Oklahoma. 

00:48:58 Ed Wasson 

This guy was fired from his grocery store and he went back in there with a knife. 

00:49:04 Ed Wasson 

He had recently converted to another religion or whatever and went in over the knife and Curtis managers head off and then went out. 

00:49:11 Matt Marshall 

Oh jeez. 

00:49:12 Ed Wasson 

Yeah went after this was about eight years ago when I went after one of the other. 

00:49:17 Ed Wasson 

People in the store started stabbing at them and the store manager owner actually had a gun and ended up shooting him. 

00:49:25 Ed Wasson 

But yeah, it's America. 

00:49:28 Ed Wasson 

It's I mean the chances are extremely low and rare. 

00:49:34 Ed Wasson 

But if some, if any little thing happens, you're you're you get stuck somewhere or you're stuck in traffic. 

00:49:41 Ed Wasson 

Whatever the scenario is, yeah, you need to. 

00:49:44 Ed Wasson 

To go through baby steps that you've done in training and apply it in real life and get through it and. 

00:49:53 Ed Wasson 

Get those things done like you said. 

00:49:54 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, excellent excellent topics there. 

00:49:57 Matt Marshall 

I I would love to spend a whole a whole show a whole episode. 

00:50:01 Matt Marshall 

Just talking about there's there's some newer newer concepts around how to deal with active assailant type of type of environments that I'd love to get into with you on on one of our upcoming shows. 

00:50:13 Matt Marshall 

So first. 

00:50:13 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. 

00:50:20 Matt Marshall 

We've got two more that we're going to talk about real quick water, and the and the the saying goes, you can last what three days? 

00:50:29 Matt Marshall 

Without water, before you start to dehydrate too much and your body starts to basically shut down. 

00:50:36 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, you're gonna be miserable in those three days again, by the way. 

00:50:37 Matt Marshall 

You're gonna, it's it's horrible even just after 12 hours or 14 hours of being without water, a person starts to go through some pretty heavy duty psychological things. 

00:50:49 Matt Marshall 

And they they start to become dehydrated as we were talking about earlier in the show more dehydrated, they start to feel nauseous. 

00:50:56 Matt Marshall 

They start to feel their heads. 

00:50:57 Matt Marshall 

Starts to hurt. 

00:50:58 Matt Marshall 

This is just a common thing that happens and eventually after a couple of days your body just starts to shut down and say you can't operate. 

00:51:06 Matt Marshall 

Right, you're supposed to be? What is it like, 80% water or something like that? Just a massive amount of water and you can't function without replenishing that water. They they say they say you should at least have a gallon of water a day. 

00:51:21 Ed Wasson 

Now at least. 

00:51:22 Matt Marshall 

They think about this is one of the things that if you go to work, you know you're sitting there. 

00:51:27 Matt Marshall 

You're drinking some coffee in the morning, so there's a little bit, but that also cancels out the the quality of the dehydration you're getting, because caffeine tends to dehydrate you, but but you're drinking some other things through the day. 

00:51:41 Matt Marshall 

And think for the audience out there for our listeners. 

00:51:45 Matt Marshall 

Think to yourself, do you really drink a gallon a day? 

00:51:50 Matt Marshall 

Try it sometime and see how much more often you go to the bathroom, especially for us Gen X errors, the bladder is getting much smaller. 

00:51:50 Matt Marshall 

Oh yeah. 

00:51:54 Matt Marshall 

Oh yeah. 

00:51:59 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, and and you know that hunts to a couple of points that you mentioned that we're talking about harsh environments as well. 

00:52:06 Ed Wasson 

And there's things that if you haven't experienced. 

00:52:09 Ed Wasson 

It a lot of people. 

00:52:11 Ed Wasson 

Whether you're in the forest or in the desert, those two areas, they're number one. 

00:52:16 Ed Wasson 

There's a lot of flies, and the flies are extremely annoying, and I'm talking like not just buzzing in your face. 

00:52:23 Ed Wasson 

I'm talking. 

00:52:24 Ed Wasson 

Sometimes there's big flies, they're thickest thieves, they're all over the place there, but depending where you are. 

00:52:31 Ed Wasson 

What time of year and everything else like that? 

00:52:33 Ed Wasson 

And some of those flies are deer flies or horseflies, and they're actually biting you. 

00:52:35 Matt Marshall 

Oh freaking killers. 

00:52:37 Ed Wasson 

Right? 

00:52:38 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, so you have all that going on. 

00:52:40 Ed Wasson 

Plus just try being out in the environment and just being about. 

00:52:46 Ed Wasson 

A day and a half without water not only gonna start to be so miserable, you're gonna I I always get a headache that's almost first right off the bat. 

00:52:54 Matt Marshall 

Yep, Yep. 

00:52:55 Ed Wasson 

But the next time, whenever it is that you do have to urinate, it's just a little bit, and it comes out really hot as well, so there's a lot of things that are just uncomfortable about this. 

00:53:06 Ed Wasson 

Said Harry, an unpleasant and. 

00:53:09 Ed Wasson 

What you should want to try? 

00:53:10 Ed Wasson 

To do is. 

00:53:11 Ed Wasson 

Half water drink it. 

00:53:12 Ed Wasson 

Yeah and yeah. 

00:53:12 Matt Marshall 

Mab water, find a way to get to get water. 

00:53:15 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, find a way to get water and that's one of the things we'll cover in further detail in, uh, some aspect later as well. 

00:53:22 Ed Wasson 

But yeah, yeah, go, go for it, Matt. 

00:53:24 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, another another big episode. 

00:53:27 Matt Marshall 

I think water itself. 

00:53:29 Matt Marshall 

Finding water, being able to get water in the in the desert in from the sand from from different plants, different scenarios that could be a whole another show, so I'm I'm. 

00:53:41 Ed Wasson 

Cancel it. 

00:53:41 Matt Marshall 

I'm so excited to talk more about these different areas but but for now, let's dispel a couple of myths. 

00:53:47 Ed Wasson 

Let's do it. 

00:53:47 Matt Marshall 

OK, so first. 

00:53:48 Matt Marshall 

Well, to store water at home, right? 

00:53:53 Matt Marshall 

One of the things that I remember I used to hear all the time on on on different preparedness type of broadcast or prepping shows. 

00:54:01 Matt Marshall 

Doomsday preppers is. 

00:54:02 Matt Marshall 

After you've drank that two liter bottle of soda just filled it up with water, stick it on a shelf and you've got your stock of water starting to build up. 

00:54:11 Matt Marshall 

So every drink, every bottle of soda build, put a bottle of water and over time it just builds up. 

00:54:17 Matt Marshall 

So I did that for a while and I started to realize that after a while. 

00:54:22 Matt Marshall 

The water starts to taste nasty. 

00:54:26 Matt Marshall 

And and one of the one of the things is can I just fill up my 2 liter bottles of water? 

00:54:32 Matt Marshall 

And I've I'm prepared. 

00:54:34 Matt Marshall 

I think there's, uh, there's one thing to be careful and that is. 

00:54:39 Matt Marshall 

There is a way you can do that and that is adding some some little drops of bleach. 

00:54:45 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, not a whole bunch about six or seven drops of bleach into a 2 liter 2 liter bottle, and what that'll do is that'll get rid of all the garbage right? 

00:54:54 Matt Marshall 

All the all the stuff that the bacteria and stuff that could have been. 

00:54:58 Matt Marshall 

Inserted in after you've washed the bottle, the inside of the bottle very, very well. 

00:55:05 Matt Marshall 

You fill it with clean water. 

00:55:07 Matt Marshall 

You drop, take, put a few drops in there and then yeah you can. 

00:55:11 Matt Marshall 

You can store it. 

00:55:12 Matt Marshall 

I would also recommend shaking it up just a little bit together to get the bleach everywhere. 

00:55:17 Ed Wasson 

I have water stored, I'm not. 

00:55:20 Ed Wasson 

I'm not one of those ******** doomsday type Peppers, but I have some water stored and I think it's every six months or so I don't, but I just dump it all and then I. 

00:55:30 Matt Marshall 

Ah yeah, yeah. 

00:55:32 Ed Wasson 

I rinsed those containers out and just fill them back up again and. 

00:55:38 Ed Wasson 

Once you have it, that chunk of water for at least a few days and and. 

00:55:44 Ed Wasson 

Different scenarios you want to apply different water rationing. 

00:55:51 Ed Wasson 

So how long are you going to be out of water or whatever, like during that Texas freeze? 

00:55:57 Ed Wasson 

This year we were often on water for almost a week, so there was there was a couple of. 

00:56:03 Ed Wasson 

Days OK, we didn't take a shower. 

00:56:04 Ed Wasson 

No big yeah but. 

00:56:07 Ed Wasson 

When the water did come back on our pipes fortunately didn't freeze. 

00:56:11 Ed Wasson 

When the water did come back on, I was able to fill up some containers so we had enough water and I've got two Britta filters, so there's nothing wrong with double and triple filtering. 

00:56:23 Ed Wasson 

If yeah, you know once it's set there, well, let's say you haven't had a chance. 

00:56:28 Ed Wasson 

Two, let's say this deep freeze occurred and it's been 6 to 8 months since I. 

00:56:34 Ed Wasson 

Cleared out my water and refreshed it. 

00:56:36 Ed Wasson 

Or yeah, that water is going to taste nasty. 

00:56:38 Ed Wasson 

Well I've got multiple ways of filtering it so I'm not going to just dump it because it tastes a little sour. 

00:56:45 Ed Wasson 

I can't, I can still filter it. 

00:56:48 Ed Wasson 

I can put a little bit of purification in the water and it's still probably going to taste a little bit nasty, but. 

00:56:54 Ed Wasson 

You know it. 

00:56:55 Ed Wasson 

It depends on the scenario and and how much you're rationing the water and. 

00:57:00 Ed Wasson 

The water you have saved up when you have it saved up for drinking and or do you have it saved up for camping and maybe camp showers? 

00:57:09 Matt Marshall 

Boiling or camp showers, yeah, or flushing the toilet. 

00:57:13 Ed Wasson 

Once a month right now, if you're camping, are you near a source of water? 

00:57:17 Ed Wasson 

Are you near the lake? 

00:57:18 Matt Marshall 

Right, right, right. 

00:57:19 Ed Wasson 

Are you near the stream or whatever? 

00:57:20 Ed Wasson 

And what does that water looking like? 

00:57:22 Ed Wasson 

If it's I don't like lake water like stack stagnant water very much at all, so I always like to camp closer to streams. 

00:57:30 Ed Wasson 

That's just me. 

00:57:31 Ed Wasson 

Plus, if you're just close enough to the stream and you could just barely hear that trickle a little bit that helps me go to sleep. 

00:57:39 Ed Wasson 

And then if I hear if I hear bears crawl or big old raccoons crawling around the campsite, it doesn't spook me so much. 

00:57:49 Matt Marshall 

So so one more one more myth maybe so the the there there is a a concept that water doesn't necessarily last forever. 

00:57:58 Matt Marshall 

OK, in it's in it's stored one of the things we tend to do is is I actually I actually buy. 

00:58:06 Matt Marshall 

Deer Park, those those big kind of square gallon jugs of Deer Park. 

00:58:10 Speaker 3 

Yeah, OK. 

00:58:12 Matt Marshall 

Oftentimes at the local grocery store, they'll have. 

00:58:15 Matt Marshall 

They're normally about $1.50 apiece for a for a gallon. They'll have sales that say like 10 gallons for 10 bucks or something like that, so less than a buck apiece. 

00:58:18 Matt Marshall 

OK. 

00:58:26 Matt Marshall 

So I'll I'll go in and I'll buy 10 gallons and I'll store them up. 

00:58:29 Matt Marshall 

But what I have is I have this this process of flow. 

00:58:32 Matt Marshall 

And we'll use the ones on the bottom, and then I'll bring the new ones up to the top, and eventually I'll start. 

00:58:35 Ed Wasson 

OK. 

00:58:39 Matt Marshall 

You know, they'll they'll go through this and I and I would recommend that for anything, whether it's canned food or or, you know, oatmeal or whatever you have it on some some process that you use the older first. 

00:58:52 Matt Marshall 

Right there was a there was a topic that I heard from from some folks and that's shop your pantry. 

00:58:59 Matt Marshall 

So you you store up your food, you buy food for your pantry. 

00:59:04 Matt Marshall 

When you go to the grocery store and when you go to shop, later you go. 

00:59:08 Matt Marshall 

Oh yeah, I've got. 

00:59:09 Matt Marshall 

I've got some soy sauce down there, or I've got some. 

00:59:11 Matt Marshall 

You know some extra oatmeal down there. 

00:59:13 Matt Marshall 

I've got some flour downstairs. 

00:59:15 Matt Marshall 

I don't need to go out to the store to get something. 

00:59:18 Matt Marshall 

I'm shopping my pantry. 

00:59:19 Matt Marshall 

First, you know, so that's one of the one of the things that I've always heard in the past. 

00:59:24 Matt Marshall 

But back to back to water. 

00:59:26 Matt Marshall 

How much does water weigh? 

00:59:29 Ed Wasson 

It weighs a lot. 

00:59:30 Ed Wasson 

I know that much 'cause we had to load 5 gallon jugs all over the place and. 

00:59:31 Matt Marshall 

Yes it does. 

00:59:35 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, and then. 

00:59:37 Ed Wasson 

You run out of water and you're like all right. 

00:59:39 Ed Wasson 

They're nice and light, so I can I come back to the LZ now, yeah, you want to get rid of your water, but you want to get rid of it that quick as we were supposed to be out there for five days and we ran out of. 

00:59:49 Ed Wasson 

Water at Day 3. 

00:59:51 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, now we're two days without. 

00:59:53 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:59:53 Ed Wasson 

Oh it sucked. 

00:59:54 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, it was bad. 

00:59:55 Matt Marshall 

So it is. It is about £8.00 per gallon. OK so so for me when I do my my longer longer section hikes. I have a A2 or a. I'm sorry, a one or a two gallon. 

00:59:58 Ed Wasson 

£8.00 a gallon. 

01:00:11 Matt Marshall 

I'm trying to remember like a camel pack, camel camel hydration pack that all fill up and all. 

01:00:14 

Yeah yeah, OK. 

01:00:19 Matt Marshall 

I'm actually using, not necessarily the lifestraw. 

01:00:21 Matt Marshall 

In that situation, I'm using an actual filter and I'm filtering water into the into my my. 

01:00:29 Matt Marshall 

My camel pack. 

01:00:30 Matt Marshall 

Like I'm I'm trying to remember the other name for it. 

01:00:35 Matt Marshall 

I can't right now. 

01:00:35 Ed Wasson 

Camel pack 

01:00:37 Matt Marshall 

There's a. 

01:00:37 Matt Marshall 

It starts with a D darn it anyways. 

01:00:42 Matt Marshall 

I'll figure it out later anyways. 

01:00:44 Matt Marshall 

The UM. 

01:00:45 Matt Marshall 

So I fill up my pack or my my water pouch effectively so I get about a gallon of water so I know I don't want to. 

01:00:53 Matt Marshall 

I don't want to hike for. 

01:00:55 Matt Marshall 

You know ten 1520 miles a day? 

01:00:58 Matt Marshall 

Right, right? 

01:01:00 Matt Marshall 

With an additional 8 or 10 or 15 pounds of water on my back, you know I'd rather I'd rather know ahead in another 3 miles. 

01:01:09 Matt Marshall 

I have another place that I can filter some water, fill up my, fill up my container and I'm and I'm back off and running so. 

01:01:18 Matt Marshall 

So when you're talking about it from a survival situation. 

01:01:21 Matt Marshall 

There is when you're at home. 

01:01:23 Matt Marshall 

You're filling jugs right? 

01:01:26 Matt Marshall 

And you're storing water and you've got it on this process of of every six months. 

01:01:31 Matt Marshall 

Replenishing that water or doing it on a normal day to day basis, replenishing that water using the old old first first in, first out right? 

01:01:42 Matt Marshall 

But then there's the bug out bag, right? 

01:01:45 Matt Marshall 

And then you start talking. 

01:01:47 Matt Marshall 

The two concepts and we talked about it a little bit earlier, kind of off camera, and that's filtration and purification. 

01:01:53 Matt Marshall 

Right? 

01:01:54 Matt Marshall 

Two completely different areas. 

01:01:54 Matt Marshall 

Right? 

01:01:56 Matt Marshall 

They kind of. 

01:01:57 Matt Marshall 

They kind of work together, right? 

01:02:00 Matt Marshall 

There's there when it comes to filtration. 

01:02:03 Matt Marshall 

There's there's. 

01:02:06 Matt Marshall 

There's pre filtration. 

01:02:08 Matt Marshall 

And that's well, another thing that masks can be used for. 

01:02:11 Matt Marshall 

You can pour water into a mask into a container, and I mean nasty nasty water you can with with all sorts of garbage in it. 

01:02:15 Ed Wasson 

Right, you are not right, you are yeah. 

01:02:19 Ed Wasson 

Get that real. 

01:02:21 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, get the get that pre fill station get get the big monk out of it 'cause you could if you're in a stagnant water area. 

01:02:23 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

01:02:28 Ed Wasson 

Whatever something like that you have, like some major nasty water in there, but you're going to start getting really thirsty. 

01:02:35 Ed Wasson 

Or let's say you're in desert, you open up one. 

01:02:37 Ed Wasson 

Of those barrel cactus is. 

01:02:39 Ed Wasson 

There's a bunch of muck in there. 

01:02:41 Ed Wasson 

Fit that in your pre filtration. 

01:02:43 Ed Wasson 

Get that water out and. 

01:02:45 Ed Wasson 

But then you can start more like filtering it more or whatever. 

01:02:49 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, so so then is the the more higher quality type of filters like. 

01:02:55 Matt Marshall 

You you mentioned the Britta filter that you have at home. 

01:02:58 Matt Marshall 

There's also the little hiker. 

01:03:01 Matt Marshall 

Katahdin or cadyn. 

01:03:04 Matt Marshall 

I think Katahdin is the my goal, right the Appalachian Trail, the northern terminus of of the Appalachian Trail. 

01:03:11 Matt Marshall 

That's how they pronounce it, but spelled very close to it is katadyn, and that's the the more popular and more expense. 

01:03:12 Matt Marshall 

OK. 

01:03:19 Matt Marshall 

Of little pumps, different sizes of them. 

01:03:21 Matt Marshall 

I have a little hiker pro which is, which is one that you can. 

01:03:25 Matt Marshall 

You can kind of it's it almost looks like one of those typical water pumps that you have at the big water pumps you have at home with the big arm that you lift up and down. 

01:03:34 Matt Marshall 

That's a little tiny. 

01:03:35 Matt Marshall 

One has a little a little pre filter on it. 

01:03:39 Matt Marshall 

Works absolutely perfect for me and I can generate. 

01:03:42 Matt Marshall 

I can usually filter. 

01:03:45 Matt Marshall 

A gallon or two of water in about 3 to 4 minutes so it's super fast really works great. 

01:03:52 Matt Marshall 

For me. 

01:03:53 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, and and there's if you're a like a true to life doomsday prepper you can go on Amazon. 

01:04:00 Ed Wasson 

You can get a bigger, larger, more industrial type of water filter and then the only issue is just getting the source of water. 

01:04:02 Matt Marshall 

Oh yes, yes. 

01:04:11 Ed Wasson 

But I mean if you're like I said. 

01:04:13 Ed Wasson 

You're a doomsday prepper. 

01:04:14 Ed Wasson 

And you just. 

01:04:15 Ed Wasson 

Like me, if you I'm not addicted purple but I want to be comfortable. 

01:04:19 Ed Wasson 

So then my house and the water goes out. 

01:04:21 Ed Wasson 

I just need a different source of water and if we can get a good source of a constant good amount of water after that all we need is the filtration system for it and. 

01:04:35 Ed Wasson 

To live life. 

01:04:37 Ed Wasson 

Reasonably comfortably, you don't want to just be waiting for your little bridges or whatever, so you can have a different type of water filter. 

01:04:44 Ed Wasson 

That's not really going to be your hot water heater, that's. 

01:04:47 Ed Wasson 

Right, it's normally associated with your house because the water you're getting is usually coming from the city or whatever, so it's already, you know, chlorinated instantiable, we're talking about a a source of different water. 

01:04:56 Matt Marshall 

Yeah right yeah. 

01:05:03 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, one of the most popular. 

01:05:07 Matt Marshall 

Popular filtration systems that are out there is the Berkey Berkey water filter, where you have about a it's about a 5 gallon tank and inside of that is a just an absolute awesome filtration system. 

01:05:11 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, that's it. 

01:05:23 Matt Marshall 

And then there's a a lower tank where the the clean water. 

01:05:26 Matt Marshall 

Comes out and it looks just like a, you know your normal water filter or water like the water cooler at work, right? 

01:05:33 Matt Marshall 

You'd have the little trigger, you just switch it and it drips or it it pours out really nice. 

01:05:38 Matt Marshall 

Beautiful clean water. 

01:05:39 Matt Marshall 

But there is an additional an additional part of that, and that's the water filtration it it's. 

01:05:46 Matt Marshall 

It's intended to reduce the concentration of particulate matter and getting rid of the particles of parasites, bacteria, algae, those type of things, right? 

01:05:57 Matt Marshall 

But then there's this other this other aspect, and that's that's a purification, and you've mentioned multiple times. 

01:06:03 Matt Marshall 

Times like we talked about earlier bleach, which you're probably not going to bring bleach with you, but little little filtration tablets. 

01:06:10 Matt Marshall 

Right? 

01:06:12 Matt Marshall 

There's the I don't remember the name Aqua tabs I think is the one that that I carry with me. 

01:06:17 Ed Wasson 

How come? 

01:06:18 Matt Marshall 

There's Aqua. 

01:06:19 Matt Marshall 

I can't remember. 

01:06:19 Matt Marshall 

There's another name, but I'll I'll, I'll bring along a group of about. 

01:06:23 Matt Marshall 

10 or 15 of those along every single time I do a filtration, I have a gallon of water now. 

01:06:29 Matt Marshall 

I'll drop one of those tabs in there, shake it up and not drink it for a you know 1/2 hour to an hour. 

01:06:35 Matt Marshall 

And I'm perfectly fine. 

01:06:36 Matt Marshall 

Never had any, any GI type issues so so there's a. 

01:06:39 Ed Wasson 

Yes, exactly. 

01:06:41 Matt Marshall 

There's a combination of the two different things you could. 

01:06:43 Matt Marshall 

I could probably get away with just filtration. 

01:06:48 Matt Marshall 

Because that's what they, you know, they kind of advertise you've you've got your water filter. 

01:06:53 Matt Marshall 

You're good, right? 

01:06:54 Matt Marshall 

But I'm I'm one of those people who number one likes to make sure with purification as well. 

01:07:01 Matt Marshall 

But also man, I love to have like some lemonade flavor. 

01:07:05 Matt Marshall 

Yeah or or or Peach tea. 

01:07:07 Matt Marshall 

I love Peach tea flavor, so I'll I'll also drop in a little bit of flavoring to my my smart bottle or something, you know? 

01:07:15 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, and those packets of that stuff are so smaller, not really, especially if you know you're going to be uncomfortable anyway. 

01:07:18 Matt Marshall 

Oh yeah, yeah. 

01:07:24 Ed Wasson 

I mean, you're you're hiking, camping, or whatever else, or prepping surviving. 

01:07:29 Ed Wasson 

You got your bug out bag or you got some water in it. 

01:07:32 Ed Wasson 

And you already kind of know in your. 

01:07:34 Ed Wasson 

Head, you know this could suck. 

01:07:36 Ed Wasson 

Fall back three days, three weeks, however long. 

01:07:37 Matt Marshall 

Gonna be uncomfortable. Yep, Yep. 

01:07:40 Ed Wasson 

Those those little packets of just little flavorings and water, or that can really be a morale booster. 

01:07:48 Matt Marshall 

Oh my gosh, yeah yeah, I bring along normally on a two or four day trip. 

01:07:53 Matt Marshall 

I'll bring along the crystal light cells. 

01:07:56 Matt Marshall 

These little little packets of of flavoring. 

01:08:01 Matt Marshall 

It's I mean I I sometimes have to go with the the included calories version because I'm expending 7000 calories a day when I'm walking that much. But you know, you know there it is. 

01:08:10 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, absolutely. 

01:08:12 Speaker 3 

Second thing, we wanted to talk about is food boom. 

01:08:22 Matt Marshall 

Food is really, really important, but as you as you hear from the rule of three, the survival rule of three. 

01:08:28 Matt Marshall 

Please, you can last three weeks without food. 

01:08:32 Matt Marshall 

It's awfully painful and same thing you'll start to go through some pretty crazy psychological things when you're without food. 

01:08:39 Matt Marshall 

But the important thing to remember you can survive without food, but when it comes to, uh, a bug, out bag or everyday carry or something like that. 

01:08:50 Matt Marshall 

Now again, Ed. 

01:08:51 Matt Marshall 

We've mentioned multiple times on this show. 

01:08:54 Matt Marshall 

There's a difference between being comfortable in your surviving and prepping versus one of the recommendations I usually make. 

01:08:59 Matt Marshall 

Right? 

01:09:03 Matt Marshall 

Actually in a in a survival type of situations is that survival those little survival. 

01:09:10 Matt Marshall 

Food packs not not necessarily merge. 

01:09:11 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, sure. 

01:09:14 Matt Marshall 

Those are pretty cool, but they're also pretty heavy, but if you bring along the the little little, they're almost like I think to my. 

01:09:15 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, yeah Maltese. 

01:09:23 Matt Marshall 

So the The Hobbit Shire and what Samwise and Frodo brought brought with them on their great adventure, right when they went out, and they're bringing along these little patties of of some type of wafer. 

01:09:25 

Yeah, yeah. 

01:09:38 Matt Marshall 

And you can buy them on on you know Amazon or you go to go to ****** Sporting Goods or whatever it might be. 

01:09:44 Matt Marshall 

They're just emergency rations. 

01:09:47 Ed Wasson 

Right exactly 

01:09:48 Matt Marshall 

It's I think the last time I read it was something like 3800 calories in a pack of four of these things. That's a massive amount of calories that can. 

01:09:57 Matt Marshall 

Let you live for days. 

01:10:00 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, and there's there's the one I had last time was almost like a granola bar, but it's very. 

01:10:00 Matt Marshall 

Right? 

01:10:07 Ed Wasson 

It's very dense. 

01:10:08 Matt Marshall 

Superdense yes yes. 

01:10:09 Ed Wasson 

Super dense and and it's almost like you're eating just a chunk of sand almost, but it's flavor. 

01:10:18 Ed Wasson 

If you drink a little bit of water. 

01:10:19 Ed Wasson 

With it, it's great. 

01:10:21 Ed Wasson 

But anyway, yeah, those those things they're. 

01:10:21 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

01:10:23 Ed Wasson 

They're small, lightweight pack them in there now. 

01:10:27 Ed Wasson 

I ran out of mine and I haven't got any since. 

01:10:30 Ed Wasson 

I can't remember when so I do have. 

01:10:32 Ed Wasson 

Of belvita and and and and some granola is just a couple of them in there with a couple of things of water or things like that bug out time comes, I can bug out if I have to bug out, but survival comes. 

01:10:35 Matt Marshall 

Huh velveeta? Yep, that's good. 

01:10:49 Ed Wasson 

I'm probably going to need to go get myself some. 

01:10:51 Ed Wasson 

Some more of those. 

01:10:53 Ed Wasson 

Uhm, survival James? 

01:10:53 Matt Marshall 

So those emergency rations absolutely yeah. 

01:10:55 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, absolutely yeah. 

01:10:55 Ed Wasson 

Yeah those are good. 

01:10:56 Ed Wasson 

That's good stuff, but they're they're sometimes hard to find and they're not cheap either. 

01:11:00 Matt Marshall 

No, no, you're you're absolutely right. 

01:11:00 Ed Wasson 

I mean, for the size of them. 

01:11:02 Matt Marshall 

That's why one of the things we could recommend for people who are just starting in in preparedness, building their bug out bags. 

01:11:09 Matt Marshall 

Home is do exactly what you were just saying. 

01:11:12 Matt Marshall 

One of the things I do is I we like we just went to Sam's Club today, right? 

01:11:17 Speaker 3 

Yeah, yeah. 

01:11:18 Matt Marshall 

And and we came home. 

01:11:20 Matt Marshall 

One of the things I do almost every trip is all by now we only go every couple of weeks or whatever it may be. 

01:11:28 Matt Marshall 

But I buy a couple of boxes. 

01:11:30 Matt Marshall 

Of those different types of granola bars, like the sweet and salty or the belvita cinnamons or the there's, there's a couple from. 

01:11:40 Matt Marshall 

Oh my gosh, Gatorade has. These has these huge Gatorade recovery bars. They're they're like a meal. I think they're about 3:00 or 400 calories, but they are so tasty and bringing those suckers along on a hiking trip or now. 

01:11:46 

Oh yes. 

01:11:56 Matt Marshall 

I wouldn't suggest you put it into a bug out bag for long term because it's probably going to melt. 

01:12:01 Matt Marshall 

Can get a little nasty, but if but if you have it in your everyday carry type of thing, you use it as an emergency. 

01:12:02 Matt Marshall 

Right? 

01:12:07 Matt Marshall 

Food like like I I don't have time to go out to lunch when I'm at work. 

01:12:11 Matt Marshall 

I'm gonna just slam that thing down for lunch instead and that'll get me. 

01:12:15 Matt Marshall 

Basically what I need through through the day, it'll help me to, you know, to again to be mindful and not be worried about eating through the day you know, so it's awesome. 

01:12:27 Ed Wasson 

Yep, so there's food throughout food covered a little bit and to get your mind off of food and maybe move from point A to point B, one of the tips or tricks that I used to do as a marine corporal. When we'd go on those 26 milers I'd have. 

01:12:46 Ed Wasson 

A little pouch full of jolly ranchers and I would run up and down my squad and about twice an hour. 

01:12:49 Matt Marshall 

Oh yeah. 

01:12:56 Ed Wasson 

I would hand rolled out to everybody except not the cinnamon once. 

01:13:01 Ed Wasson 

Maybe get more free and get your mind off things, keeps you motivated, keeps you moving. 

01:13:06 Ed Wasson 

And if you're in that kind of survival situation and you don't have food as well, it's going to take your mind a little bit off the food as well. 

01:13:13 Ed Wasson 

But once you get from point A to point B, that's when you can drop your pack and open up one of your. 

01:13:21 Matt Marshall 

Oh yeah, Murrey survival packets, whatever it winds up being. 

01:13:24 

Whatever you got. 

01:13:26 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, yeah. 

01:13:27 Ed Wasson 

'cause you might only have time for one meal a day and it might be just that one little thing. 

01:13:31 Ed Wasson 

And then yeah, hey, it's ready to to saddle up and get back on the trail. 

01:13:34 Matt Marshall 

Man, you just you just hit on one thing that's so important in survival type of situations. 

01:13:40 Matt Marshall 

Again we keep coming back to this. 

01:13:41 Matt Marshall 

This kind of key item it's going to swerve in and out of. 

01:13:45 Matt Marshall 

I think most of our shows, and that's psychological preparedness. 

01:13:48 

Oh yeah. 

01:13:49 Matt Marshall 

You have a situation where you've got. 

01:13:51 Matt Marshall 

You know people are feeling a little demoralized because they're running for 20 miles a day, or they're walking for, you know, hiking for 30 miles a day, whatever it might be. 

01:14:01 Matt Marshall 

Having somebody just kind of backing them up and saying here have a have a sweet you know sweet apple candy or have whatever it may be kind of brightens your day, you know. 

01:14:11 Matt Marshall 

Full F. 

01:14:11 Matt Marshall 

Just like, just like when you're sitting around sitting around the, you know after a very very long hike and you're playing the game of cards with somebody you know or you're reading a really, really cool book. 

01:14:21 Matt Marshall 

It kind of re energizes you and gets you thinking. 

01:14:25 Matt Marshall 

Uh, a little outside yourself, you know? 

01:14:27 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, and as a leader it helps you gauge or evaluate and assess the mental state of some of. 

01:14:33 Ed Wasson 

Let's say it's your family or friends Twitter or your truth because that's how I knew that my troops may not have liked me from time to time, but they didn't hate me because they would always take that candy from me. 

01:14:45 Matt Marshall 

Right? 

01:14:47 Ed Wasson 

But yeah, imagine. 

01:14:48 Ed Wasson 

If you're going to everybody, you got 12 guys in your spot or whatever, and you're going there. 

01:14:54 Ed Wasson 

And all in with this. 

01:14:55 Ed Wasson 

This one guys like no. 

01:14:57 Ed Wasson 

Screw you, Corporal Watson. 

01:14:59 Matt Marshall 

Don't want your freaking candy? 

01:14:59 Ed Wasson 

And that's yeah. 

01:15:01 Ed Wasson 

So that's when you know you got to kind of watch this guy. 

01:15:03 Ed Wasson 

'cause he's he, it's. 

01:15:05 Ed Wasson 

His frame of mind, where is he or not? 

01:15:07 Ed Wasson 

He's really miserable. 

01:15:08 Ed Wasson 

He he is not accepting of the situation. 

01:15:12 Ed Wasson 

And this person is going to be somebody on the evaluating assist to make sure you can help them pull through it, because yeah, so whether it's a survival situation or a training exercise or hike. 

01:15:23 Ed Wasson 

Anything like that? 

01:15:24 Ed Wasson 

Everybody, you're only as strong as your weakest link, and if you're by yourself, then you ain't got nobody else to be accountable. 

01:15:32 Ed Wasson 

Or worry about, yeah. 

01:15:34 Ed Wasson 

If you're with your family or team. 

01:15:37 Ed Wasson 

If you're not getting across the finish line together. 

01:15:42 Ed Wasson 

If it's a survival situation with your family not getting across the finish line together is really bad scenario, right? 

01:15:47 Matt Marshall 

It's not getting across the finish line. 

01:15:49 Matt Marshall 

That's right. 

01:15:51 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, absolutely. 

01:16:03 Matt Marshall 

OK, so we're at the time of parting shots. 

01:16:05 Matt Marshall 

Do you have anything that you'd like to share anything additional you'd like to share with the with the audience? 

01:16:10 Ed Wasson 

Well, thanks for asking that. 

01:16:12 Ed Wasson 

I don't have a really good parting shot for this episode. 

01:16:16 Ed Wasson 

I really appreciate the opportunity to come on and talk with you and express these things and and share thoughts and views and opinions and little snippets of information and. 

01:16:28 Ed Wasson 

What I would say is I. 

01:16:29 Ed Wasson 

Know from my experience. 

01:16:32 Ed Wasson 

As soon as we get out there just with everything going on in the world, and American and politics and the news. 

01:16:41 Ed Wasson 

We're going to. 

01:16:43 Ed Wasson 

The social media maybe getting hit with people coming out of left field that aren't fans, friends, family or followers or whatever. 

01:16:52 Ed Wasson 

And we need to let those guys know that you know this. 

01:16:57 Ed Wasson 

There's a certain purpose for our podcasts and everything else. 

01:17:00 Ed Wasson 

Like that and we know we can't please everybody all the time. 

01:17:04 Ed Wasson 

We hope we don't offend anybody but. 

01:17:08 Ed Wasson 

We we can't be. 

01:17:11 Ed Wasson 

Always on edge worrying about what we're saying and everything else like that. 

01:17:15 Ed Wasson 

And we're not going to entertain a bunch of banner that's coming in on on social media. 

01:17:21 Ed Wasson 

We haven't seen it yet, but I'm just going to make that preemptive strike statement and say, hey, we're not going to deal with it. 

01:17:25 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, sure. 

01:17:27 Ed Wasson 

We've got a purpose here. 

01:17:30 Ed Wasson 

I think it's good. 

01:17:31 Ed Wasson 

I really appreciate you. 

01:17:33 Ed Wasson 

You know us taking this opportunity to work together on this project. 

01:17:36 Ed Wasson 

I think it's. 

01:17:38 Ed Wasson 

Worthy and it's of merit and everything else like that. 

01:17:41 Ed Wasson 

And we we may not be. 

01:17:43 Ed Wasson 

Some sort of of? 

01:17:45 Ed Wasson 

KGB Mossad Spetsnaz kamikaze snake eating Ranger ninja or whatever that is a subject matter expert. 

01:17:53 Ed Wasson 

Been lived in the tundra for years and lived in the Vietnam jungle for years and we're not a subject matter expert or anything so but I do think we do bring some things to the table of value. 

01:18:06 Ed Wasson 

I hope yeah that our viewers and listeners can can get a little bit of something out of this, or at least if nothing else. 

01:18:13 Ed Wasson 

They're beating the stress and beating boredom and and here must talk about something that has some kind of useful instruction. 

01:18:20 Matt Marshall 

Absolutely, absolutely. 

01:18:21 Matt Marshall 

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. 

01:18:23 Matt Marshall 

There's a. 

01:18:23 Matt Marshall 

There's a couple of things parting shots that I would have for the for the audience today and that is remember your rules, your survival rule of threes. 

01:18:32 Matt Marshall 

Take it, take some time and and look up a little bit more online and just find out some of those stories of people who. 

01:18:39 Matt Marshall 

Have been through those struggles, what it feels like you can. 

01:18:43 Matt Marshall 

You can see it on some of the some of the shows. 

01:18:45 Matt Marshall 

The you know the survival shows the naked and afraid's the survivorman's alone. You know there's different shows you can. You can watch on these different history channels and such that will show you what happens, yeah. 

01:18:59 Matt Marshall 

And the narrators and such are. 

01:19:01 Matt Marshall 

They're they're saying, yeah, it looks like this person is experiencing the effects of dehydration or or whatever it may be. 

01:19:09 Matt Marshall 

I remember 1. 

01:19:10 Matt Marshall 

After just, uh, one guy he was like, uh, he was like a super stud going into this it was. 

01:19:17 Matt Marshall 

I think it was a naked and afraid. 

01:19:19 Matt Marshall 

I can't remember exactly, and so as man and woman and you're thinking the woman is griping the whole time. 

01:19:26 Matt Marshall 

The first couple of days the man is saying you need to strike stand up. 

01:19:30 Matt Marshall 

And be strong and he's taking on all these. 

01:19:32 Matt Marshall 

He's going cutting down trees and doing all sorts of crazy stuff. 

01:19:36 Matt Marshall 

And of course by day, the end of day two, he's falling over into a pile of ashes because he's so exhausted and dehydrated. 

01:19:42 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, exhausted. 

01:19:46 Matt Marshall 

He winds up getting medically evacuated, right? And the woman goes on to live through the entire 21 days or whatever, and she succeeds and she thrives in that environment. 

01:19:55 Ed Wasson 

You gotta pace yourself. 

01:19:57 Matt Marshall 

It's just it was. 

01:19:58 Matt Marshall 

It was. 

01:19:58 Matt Marshall 

It's just incredible to think that without even knowing what's happening to you. 

01:20:05 Matt Marshall 

You can be affected by these these little rules, and so be prepared. 

01:20:11 Matt Marshall 

Know the rules, know how to protect yourself against the the possible dangers. 

01:20:16 Matt Marshall 

Uhm, no need to go out and get a fancy gas mask. 

01:20:20 Matt Marshall 

Just wear a nice nice face mask that's perfectly or have that available to you. 

01:20:24 Matt Marshall 

It's perfectly fine in the in the in the show notes will will provide all the all the links that you can that you can think of there. 

01:20:31 Matt Marshall 

Or at least to some of the things that we that we typically would would purchase or recommend other people purchase, and so on. 

01:20:38 Matt Marshall 

Yeah, I, I think that's the one of the one of the the last things that I wanted to mention is we we have a couple of additional shows that we're working on and and one of them is risk assessment and and finding your why. 

01:20:52 Matt Marshall 

And maybe going into a little bit of history of how we experienced preparedness in life. 

01:20:58 Matt Marshall 

I've got some history of how I how I did it. 

01:21:01 Matt Marshall 

I'm not a military guy, although I've had a lot of interaction with a a lot of military and FBI and CIA type of type of. 

01:21:10 Matt Marshall 

Folks, so I so I know the their their frame of mind generally, but my background I would love to share with the with the audience and and so we're going to. 

01:21:22 Matt Marshall 

We're going to take some opportunity to do that over the next next few shows so. 

01:21:27 Matt Marshall 

Any other, any other thoughts, ideas? 

01:21:30 Ed Wasson 

Now everything is wrapped up really nicely and neatly in my opinion for 8. 

01:21:35 Ed Wasson 

Jenex talking two guys talking about preparedness session. 

01:21:39 Ed Wasson 

I think this has been a great session. 

01:21:40 Matt Marshall 

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01:22:09 Ed Wasson 

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01:22:12 Matt Marshall 

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01:22:14 Ed Wasson 

Yeah, lots of love out there guys. 

01:22:16 Matt Marshall 

Second, signing off. 

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We'll see you next time. 

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